This morning we are one day closer than we were yesterday.

New thread because if kinda feels like we need to refresh the conversation. Nothing has actually changed but I may update this later to contain an actual story.

If it works for Kevin Johnson…

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120 Responses to This morning we are one day closer than we were yesterday.

  1. Brian Robinson says:

    Seriously though I have so much admiration for what they are doing down there.

    Its weird to see it from a distance with experience. This is a really tough set of circumstances they are boxed into and they are doing whatever they can do. Keeping hope alive is a huge priority for Kevin Johnson. They have managed to do it with the die-hards (like we did) with the hope that those die-hards can spread the enthusiasm to the whole city.

    Last nights Burkle story was clearly leaked by Sac City Hall(Ryan Lillis & Sam Ammick at the same time?? C’mon!). It was a teaser piece but it is very hard to tell whether they offered the tease to try to build enthusiasm for a whale that they already have or as added pressure to try to push those guys to the point where they are willing to make their names public. Likely they had hoped those guys would reveal their names at the press conference but they declined, saying it was too early. Time is running short so city hall leaks the names and can now go back and say “Your name is already associated and you are going to have to address these rumors sometimes.”

    Watch to see how long it takes one of those guys to officially comment to get a sense of how far these discussion have progressed. In the meantime expect KJ to try to manage expectations to the point where it is EXPECTED that those two will step up and the general public will be disappointed if either doesn’t.

    Their options and time remaining are getting slim and subtlety will go out the door.

  2. Christopher Michael says:

    Even if they get the whales lined up there are only two things that could happen with the whales that would make me even a little worried.

    1) a whale taken over for KJ and become their version of Hansen. As long as a politician is the point man in their efforts I’m not worried. Sacramento needs someone with money to put their heart into making it work.

    2) a binding agreement for an arena that the whales have signed. I just don’t see how the BOG looks at a presentation with any interest unless the whales have actually proven that they are more than hypotheticals.

    Yesterday was cute and all but anyone can make a pledge. It is opening the wallet and paying up that matters.

  3. James says:

    I don’t care if those guys come out today with their names. The NBA isn’t going to say no to Hansen & Ballmer because Sacramento is trying their hardest and come up with a plan on the last minute. I do admire their fight, it’s really strange seeing it from the other side after experiencing it ourselves.

  4. tahoe says:

    Beyond applying pressure to potential major equity investors, the media leak also served to nullify the complete debacle that transpired yesterday with the “major announcement.” Lots of hype…lots of false enthusiasm and very little substance. Makes one wonder just how legitimate the supposed arena deal was last year.

  5. Zeppe says:

    Questions:

    1) has the Sac city council said that they armrest fine with the framework of the last deal and would not need a revote?

    2) Doesn’t there have to be a permitting process/EIS process to start in Sac ESPECIALLY if they want to build at the mall site?

    And lastly I love how Carmichael Dave responded to a Seattle troll (seriously Seattle trolls, stop it) with bragging about SF Giants 2 rings and the 49ers rings, yet all you hear is that the Kings are the only game in town so OF COURSE they can support a team better than Seattle! So which is it? 1 horse town or can you claim the Bay Area as your teams, too?

    • BarelyAble says:

      I would assume a revote is needed regardless but especially at a new site. Also, the parking revenue structure will need more review and would be subject to lawsuits probably since that money paid for other city needs if i remember correctly. Either way there is a lot of work to do to get to an arena deal equal to ours. I don’t buy that the deal is in place especially at a new location.

    • Christopher Michael says:

      Also another NBA team in the Bay Area. If I was a Sacramento fan I wouldn’t be mentioning any of the Sanfran or Oakland teams. Yet they seem very proud of them.

    • Menace says:

      If they claim the Bay Area Teams as theirs……….then do they claim Golden State too? I guess they will soon enough.

    • rambisfan-rmcd says:

      Totally agree on the “don’t take our only team” plea compared to the Wall to Wall coverage on the Bee of the Niners and Giants during their championship runs. THEY ARE 80 miles away. PAUL DROVE OVER 150 miles from the Yakima Valley to attend a council hearing.

  6. Zeppe says:

    Armrest fine?! Oh autocorrect….I meant are obviously.

  7. Brian Robinson says:

    Its been hard not to snap back at Carmichael Dave. He’s the Softy of his town and his shtick is to be confrontational and get responses. Its hard to handle. It’s also hard to handle play by play and not seem condescending. All in all it makes me less inclined to try and more hopeful that we can just move past this quickly. These drawn out circumstances are just really hard on everybody.

  8. Brian Robinson says:

    The one other thing that everybody has to understand is that Kevin Johnson was not in any way blindsided by this. He has tremendous NBA connections. He can read the Seattle newspaper. They may not have heard directly that the team was for sale but he’s not an idiot. He knew damn well that Seattle bidders were trying to “find a price” and he prioritized as much as he could finding a whale who could compete with that. He couldn’t find anyone willing to call the Maloofs up and say “How about if we would consider a price of $475M?”

    Again I’ve seen this firsthand. The big guys are cautious of downside and have a lot of other very big stuff going on. They do not want to commit, especially publicly until the last moment they have to. Kevin’s not going to these guys for the first time saying “I’d like to see if you are interested.” He’s going to them again and saying “Now is the time to put up or shut up. If you don’t commit now it is over.”

    • Zeppe says:

      They seem to convey that the last rail yards deal was all ready for shovels to hit the ground and this same shovels are just waiting for the BoG vote to start digging. As we’ve seen getting all i’s dotted and t’s crossed on arena deal is not a fast process and how can they get all the details settled (cost overruns responsibility, actual bid numbers for the garages, etc) with any new ownership group in the weeks they have? Somebody mentioned that they think they are actually farther along in that process than Hansen is? Obviously there’s lots if posturing going on and that’s what they have to do right now I guess.

      • Taylor Made says:

        How could it be shovel-ready if no one even knows what it’d look like?

        • Zeppe says:

          Well exactly, but if you were only going by Sac reporting they make it sound like it was ready to go right away.

          I’m definitely not trying to rain on their parade, but man, they are really thinking they have a slam dunk on their hands. I would honestly hate to see what happens if/when the BoG approves the sale and relocation.

      • John_S says:

        Does the ‘whale’ want to spend 500-600 million to buy the team and contribute to an arena? Then they would also have to worry about the 77 million dollar loan, covering revenue losses the next couple of years while the team plays at Sleep Train.

        That is the big question for Burkle if that is who it is. Of course he has civic pride but die he want to give 1/6 of his net worth towards saving the Kings?

      • brettb3 says:

        I believe someone wr
        I believe someone wrote that a guy in the comments section of a Sac Bee story said that they were further along in their arena deal.

    • Mike Baker says:

      True, and sometimes they miss the moment because they don’t see it, or don’t want it, or think they have a less risky situation if they let bad guys be bad guys and they come back in 3 years and look like heros.
      That’s not the intent of Hansen, but it could be an unintended lesson learned.

  9. Christopher Michael says:

    Since I’m not going to rain on their parade by posting on Sactown…

    They are making the arena capacity argument to show they are better fans. Only it is based on Key Arena’s capacity number as it is now. So we are all bad fans because we couldn’t fit 17,000 people in an arena that had only 14,000 seats prior to the remodel.

    • Taylor Made says:

      Our last 3 years in exisstence;
      2006 - 16,198 - 95% capacity
      2007 - 15,995 - 94% capacity
      2008 (the lame duck year) - 13,355 - 78% capacity

      The Kings last 3 years;
      2011 - 13,890 - 80% capacity
      2012 - 14,508 - 84% capacity
      2013 - 13,153 - 76% capacity

      • Mike Baker says:

        it’s corporate support, corporate sales, suite sales, revenue, that counts.

        I, the cheap seat fan, doesn’t count.

      • BarelyAble says:

        In today’s economic model (at least for baseball and basketball), ticket revenue really isn’t that important. What is is corporate dollars, number of suits (and even that can be debated), and the almighty tv dollar. Regional sports networks are the way to go and are the real boon for a franchise. Chris Hansen knows this and that is one of the reasons he can overpay to relocate a team.

        • Taylor Made says:

          Hey, they brought up the attendance. All I did was provide the numbers.

          • BarelyAble says:

            Oh I agree, This is why I say attendance is really easily manipulated statistic. Some of those years were in the Kingdome and the 94-95 season was in Tacoma, which might have messed some things up. We could just bring out that we had the highest average attendance back in the day as well as 40k for a playoff game if memory serves me correctly.

  10. Taylor Made says:

    Just for reference, Michael Pera’s purchase of the Memphis Grizzlies was finalized on June 11 and approved by the BOG on October 25.

    Also, there is no arena PLAN in Sacramento. There is no EIS. There is no funding plan. There are no renderings. There is an arena IDEA.

  11. Riboflavin says:

    The rationale in some fans is amazing! The 49ers argument of having rings is always amusing to me because that team existed for 35 years before winning a Super Bowl in 1981. And those 35 years were in a much smaller league. So to taunt younger fans of younger teams in a larger, more competitive league is irrational in my opinion. Then to use the Giants as a case against this situation again is irrational. The Giants played something like 74 years in the Polo Grounds in Manhattan and had like 4 WS titles. Don’t pound a team in Seattles face that half that teams existence resides in a city on the other side of the country. Then we get to the Kings, the most unstable NBA team in history. Rochester, to Cincinnati, to Kansas City, then to Sacramento. The Kings, or should I say Royals, best history was in the Oscar Robertson era of the Cinci Royals. So I get pretty tired of being called a hypocrite for taking a team and having rings thrown in my face from fans of a team it took 35 years in a weaker league to get one.

    Thats my hump day rant!

  12. Peter says:

    I think they were the KC/Omaha Kings.

  13. BarelyAble says:

    Ryan Lillis on Mitch now. Says Sac fans are mad at Seattle because they don’t like us celebrating and they don’t like feeling back stabbed by the Maloofs. Says he is trying not to judge us by twitter responses. Pretty ridiculous that you would judge anyone city on twitter responses and message boards/comment sections.

    • BarelyAble says:

      Says no binding agreement between Seattle and NBA. Says that NBA is final arbiter in all of this. Says Sac playing catch up. Says from history in Seattle it is not over until tip off in Key Arena.

    • BarelyAble says:

      Mitch says put Ellison aside. Asks if Burkle and Mastrov interested why are they just talking now. Why nothing 4-6 weeks ago? What has led them to pause?

      Lillis says that isn’t true. Burkle is interested and has been for years. Says we don’t know who approached who in Seattle even so we don’t know if the Maloofs wanted to sell. Seems in denial. Says if Burkle was interested Maloofs would have engaged him, but there is history that the Maloofs don’t like Burkle.

      Mitch is really pressing him on this. Lillis sounds like he really doesn’t know anything about Burkle being interested.

      Now asks if Sac gets everything to go before BOG will they side with Sac? He says he has no idea because of all the turns and twists. Says NBA has difficult choice. Personally there is no choice, they have a yes or no on Hansen and that is it.

    • BarelyAble says:

      Now he says it will become a public relations battle because dollars line up (assuming all equal). Says then it comes down to NBA picking who is flashier. Ugh, again, it is a yes and no for Hansen and that is it.

  14. SonicsfaninSLC says:

    I can tell this is going to get ugly really fast. It will be interesting to see if the NBA cares or if they step in early. We still have at least a month and a half to go.
    Does it seem like the Sacramento media tends to be more of the aggressors than the actual Kings fans? Maybe it’s because of the media having a larger platform. However, I’ve wondered if it isn’t part of KJ’s plan to make this ugly.

    • Camp Jones says:

      I think this whole thing is ugly.. OKC is a fine steak, looks good and is yummy, but if you follow where that steak came from you would be at the slaughter house watching some poor cow being torn apart and vivisected.

      We are in the slaughter house watching our steak being prepared and it makes us cringe.

  15. TheDude says:

    One thing I keep seeing pop up that’s beginning to irk me is the idea that I can just go watch the Mariners or Seahawks and I’ll be fine.

    I don’t like football. I don’t like baseball. I’m not some lazy stereotype who will watch anything that fits the broad term, “sport.”

    I love basketball, and I love the Sonics. Its time for them to come home.

  16. Sofa King says:

    The name calling is going to get a lot worse. I would advise that if you get all sensitive over someone calling you an a$$hole then you should probably check out of the message boards until it is done. I still haven’t seen anything as bad as what we said to OKC, dudes made jokes about the bombing in those days.

  17. Taylor Made says:

    The Charlotte Hornets could also be back in the NBA next year.

  18. John_S says:

    http://www.sbnation.com/2013/1/23/3906724/chris-hansen-sacramento-kings-sale-relocation-seattle

    Has anyone read this article? I’m pretty annoyed by the characterization of Hanson in the article.

    • Taylor Made says:

      It’s written by the head of Sactown Royalty, you can’t be too surprised.

    • MarkS says:

      They sound like we did 5 years ago.

    • Eric E says:

      I think it’s partially true about Hansen. He is using his money to better his chances of being able to move the team. I don’t think he suddenly appeared with money and tried to railroad the NBA though. If I’m not mistaken he’s been in conversations with the NBA for quite some time now. That tells me there IS a relationship despite what this writer believes. Is it as strong as Stern and KJ or Stern and Bennett? Maybe not, but it’s definitely not a new relationship and Hansen is bullying the NBA.

      And Mark is correct, Sacto sounds a lot like we did back in the day. I still think the NBA treated us far worse than they’ve treated Sacramento. And this writer is exaggerating the local hostilities towards the league, the league was just as hostile our direction when demanding money.

  19. Menace says:

    Sacramento perspective: The NBA will decide. Typically that is not how business works. Owners decide who they want to sell through. This is common sense.

    Seattle perspective: The deal is done. Then why is the NBA still letting Sacramento act like they have a chance? Why even grant KJ a chance to try?

    Im biased. We all are. But it really is hard at this point to differentiate fact from fiction. Its easy to spin it in either sides favor.

    • Taylor Made says:

      I think KJ is getting his ducks in a row in case the NBA denies the sale. Then he can go to the Maloofs and say “hey, we’re ready. Sell to us.” He’s pitching them an offer without TECHNICALLY pitching them an offer.

  20. charliesonic says:

    sofa king is right as rain. sacto fans are hurting and angry — naturally. also, plenty of fans on both sides are checking in now, having no background. add the fact that there are gobs of folks who just like a fracas, and we’re gonna see (already are)
    seattle fans called out as hypocrites; tweets & troll posts cited as evidence that ‘seattle’ is making light of sacramento’s pain; guilt-ridden sonic fans posting on king boards pleading for absolution (‘i’m not like that, i understand you, don’t be mad at me,’) and being told to #$%k off; ‘zany’ media guys stoking the flames with dorky gimmicks; lengthy diatribes attacking seattle fans for ‘taking’ the team (as opposed to ‘getting lucky because our favorite billionaire bought it’; non-sport seattleites using this as a chance to point their noses in the air and say ‘i won’t support the new team under these circumstances;’ sacto-ites saying ‘hey, whyncha wait for an expansion team?’ as if the nba offered us a choice; etc. etc. etc.

    if any of this is hard to take, then listen to sofa king and stop reading the boards now. just wait for the exhibition season opener.

    no wait, some resentful king fans will show up to hold up their signs and ring their bells. . .

    what’s past is prologue.

  21. Paul Rogers says:

    If Burkle/Mastrov doesn’t work out, could KJ do the Star Trek IV thing? Travel back to 20th century San Francisco and bring back “George” and “Gracie”?

  22. Taylor Made says:

    What do you guys think about the ILWU lawsuit? I, personally, think it’s nothing more than a cash grab and I expect there will be a settlement.

  23. hughc5 says:

    All i know is the nba is full of backroom handshake deals. This deal with loophole down payments wouldnt be done without the blessing of the league. Remember when wojo said the league was pressuring to sell to seattle? Why would they do this to overturn it? Not tryin to sound overly optimistic but im really starting to believe this is all window dressing. Im just waiting for the dagger where stern comes out with the smug smile and says ” ya know its a very tough thing to overturn a sale between two private parties but we’ll listen at the bog meeting and the owners will decide”.

  24. Brian Robinson says:

    Here’s what I was told about Burkle from a really knowledgeable guy:

    Burkle has burned a lot of bridges in his quest for both the Kings and an NFL franchise for LA.

    He’s expressed interest in both and been a big guy for calling meetings, asking questions, and doing a bunch of due diligence. In those conversations he makes a lot of spreadsheets, works with a lot of numbers and has a lot of opinions on valuation and creative ideas on how to make a viable financial model.

    After all the work he is never willing to cut the big check. Questions always lead to followup questions and interest is never matched by commitment. People no longer have any patience to talk with him at the NBA and do not consider him a credible buyer, especially in this short timeline.

    • Paul Rogers says:

      So George and Gracie then?

    • Sofa King says:

      Sounds like alot of the talk we had about Balmer prior to Chris coming onto the scene to be the figurehead of the movement. I wonder if Burkle would be more involved for them if he had his own figurehead to be the public face.

      • Brian Robinson says:

        Its a different mentality when you decide you are willing to be a guy who will bargain to push values up instead of negotiate to push cost down. Which type of buyer do you think is more appreciated by the NBA?

        The most ludicrous part of this whole argument is the concept that somehow the NBA will turn down an offer at $525M to accept an offer in the $425M range. I’ll believe this has more teeth when anyone comes and says “I am in the game at the price discussed.” Right now they are promising to be “competitive” with an offer they consider to be “outrageous”. That isn’t going to happen.

  25. Taylor Made says:

    I’ve heard from a couple sources (online, I have no personal sources) that the “whale” is Mastrov. Not sure I’d classify him as a whale, considering his net worth is approximately the asking price.

  26. kba says:

    I don’t see the NBA accepting any offer from anybody. The deal is done. Remember the NBA has been working with Hansen on this for a year. Do you really think that they will stop this because Sac is doing this? They want to move on. KJ can do what he wants but in the end it won’t change anything because the DEAL IS DONE.

  27. Myk says:

    I feel bad for Sacramento and the fans and what they are having to go through. Only problems I am having is when they just ignore facts when trying to position their “cause” against Seattle’s “cause”.

    You can’t call another City “hypocrites” for taking a team when you did the same thing just 28 years ago. Sucks that you don’t have the emotional argument on your side…but you just don’t…and the Sacramento citizens should stop using it. Same goes with some of the other weird statements (Sacramento is more diverse, etc.) made by KJ yesterday.

    • Sofa King says:

      They’re mad dude. Let them say their stupidness and get it out of the system. It is not our place to tell them how to grieve. If things are as solid as predicted then it won’t matter what they call us. I’m past the name calling at this point (unless it is the Steelers or Lakers because seriously…f*ck those guys).

    • Menace says:

      I dont know. If you are a Seattle fan using similar rationale that OKC fans did rationalizing that this is OK, then you probably are a hypocrite. Both markets are filled with hypocrites.

      To me it doesnt have to be right or OK. I accept what is going on and what we are doing.

    • Menace says:

      “Only problems I am having is when they just ignore facts when trying to position their “cause” against Seattle’s “cause”.”

      Sadly. If you look back. We did the same thing. We just didnt know it at the time.

      • Myk says:

        The point is not whether a City or fanbase should fight for their team. The point is that using an item that is obviously hypocritical. When Seattle was telling OKC that stealing a team from a market was wrong they had much more ground to stand upon than Sacramento complaining about the same thing.

        • Menace says:

          The end result is the same. So most people arent going to care. In Seattle its different because of the way it went down and it makes us feel better. In Sacramento its the same as what OKC did because their team is getting taken. Both are biased POVs.

          In Delaware the situations are exactly the same. A team got bought and moved. Most people aren’t going to care about the details. Most people are unaware if they arent one of the markets.

          We are all hypocritical. Who is more hypocritical? Who cares.

          • Myk says:

            Sure seems like more people in Deleware are aware of how the Sonics situation went down than you think…

  28. cean says:

    Sacramento’s mistake is they think if the Hanson deal falls through that the Maloofs are going to be compelled to sell to their group. the Maloofs have 30 million reasons why they may secretly hope the NBA poo-poo’s on the sale.

    With a ‘free’ 30 million dollar cash infusion, they have staying power until they can work out their own relocation strategy.

  29. BarelyAble says:

    @ChrisDaniels5: RT @SpearsNBAYahoo: NBA New Orleans Pelicans colors will be blue, gold and red.

    Don’t mind the name as if fits the region but more red and blue? I would say hopefully hold is the most prominent color but then we could get something like those hideous wizards jerseys

  30. Gene Hunt says:

    Seattle’s Key Arena, much less potential ownership, has a lot of work to do before it can field an NBA team

    http://yhoo.it/10vNwxA

  31. Gene Hunt says:

    Seattle Arena Plan ‏@ArenaSeattle
    Forgot to post this a while back, Forbes now lists the Sacramento Kings at $525 mil

    http://www.forbes.com/nba-valuations/

  32. BarelyAble says:

    http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020190916_arenadesignxml.html

    Most of this stuff we have heard already, but the best parts are about the Mariners lawyers complaining about emergency vehicles getting places if they close off streets by the arena during arena events. Ugh…they do that in lots of cities during events and I really doubt ambulances are using Mass when they need to get some place.

  33. Gene Hunt says:

    An interview with Jason Reid from KOMO

    http://bit.ly/Ul9XpT

  34. Camp Jones says:

    Kings fans are gonna be the biggest OKC Thunder fans moving forward.

    my conscious is clear.

  35. SpanishGlove says:

    David Taylor, one of the 19 investors, said: “I wish them well but I wish they’d sell to us and I think they will”

    What part for THE-TEAM-HAS-BEEN-ALREADY-SOLD can’t he understand? They just can expect that the NBA rejects the sale. And there is a lot of reasons because this won’t happen.

    1) 19 million? seriously?
    2) What about an arena plan? Do you think this can be prepared in only two months?
    3) Why NBA will reject a move? Only one time in the past the NBA rejected a move and it was because of money reasons. In fact, Hansen and Maloofs can sue if NBA rejects the sale. “Tortiuos interference”. Why the NBA would get into this mess whitout need?
    4) Tell me again, the day after your “enemy” closes the agreement (for 340m)… You tell proudly you have got 19m? Am i missing anything?
    5) Why KJ didn’t do anything when the Maloof were moving to Virginia Beach?
    6) Where is the whale, and why the whale doesn’t reveal his name?

    A lot of questions, few answers…

  36. Matt Parker says:

    ^ They have GS Warriors. So many of them seem to be Niners fans, no different rooting for the NBA team close to you. Yeah, I know, it’s like the Trailblazers replacing the Sonics…

    • jeffshana says:

      As a former Sacramentan, I agree. That’s like telling people here to be Blazer fans. Yes, it seems incongruous to throw out 49er and Giants/A’s fandom while claiming the Kings are the only ones in town. Fact is, going to a game in the Bay Area is a major investment in time and money and hassle compared to just being able to drop in on the Kings out in the neighboring cow pastures.

      • rambisfan-rmcd says:

        Who says you have to actually GO to the game. Regional Sports networks are where the money is at anyway. The Blazers comparison is different. Different State and it’s 3 plus hour drive vs 80miles to the Bay Area.

        • jeffshana says:

          “It’s the only game in town” argument assumes game attendance and local representation. If you don’t have the option of attending a game or seeing jerseys with your city’s name on it, then you could root for any other team of your choice in the league. Why have the neighboring team forced on you? (I’m sensitive to having a local Bay Area team forced on me as when I moved there as a kid, the locals tried to force the 49ers on me…thus part of my lifelong hatred of the 49ers.)

        • jeffshana says:

          “It’s the only game in town” argument assumes game attendance and local representation. If you don’t have the option of attending a game or seeing jerseys with your city’s name on it, then you could root for any other team of your choice in the league. Why have the neighboring team forced on you? (I’m sensitive to having a local Bay Area team forced on me as when I moved there as a kid, the locals tried to force the 49ers on me…thus my lifelong hatred of the 49ers.) Suggesting that someone root for some other team is just dismissive of their relationship with their hometown team. The dismissiveness of that relationship is what the Blazers/Warriors suggestions have in common.

        • jeffshana says:

          Sorry for the double-post…my first post got hung up.

  37. Gene Hunt says:

    Tony Bizjak ‏@TonyBizjak
    Clock is ticking on Kings future: NBA has begun process of vetting the Hansen group’s financials and sale agreement, source says. #NBAKings

  38. five says:

    getting ready of Hansenity party!

  39. SonicsUberAlles says:

    **copied from other thread**

    Part of KJ’s strategy is to line up a competitive or matching offer. Doesn’t it seem likely that Hansen would have foreseen this potential outcome and included in the purchase & sale agreement an option to increase his offer if it was matched?

  40. Menace says:

    Is there another KJ press conf today?

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