Update: NBA Trade Tracker on ESPN is a good resource to keep up with trades today (Big Chris)
So here we are. Exactly 3651 days (maybe) after Gary Payton was traded and most of cried, questioning the meaning of life.
Maybe that was just me.
We have the trade deadline and the rest of the night into tomorrow morning is going to be filled with rumors.
baseless predictions:
Hornets trade Eric Gordon to the Warriors for Harrison Barnes.
Nets can’t trade anyone because no one wants their trash and bad contracts.
Oklahoma City trades Kendrick Perkins in a three team deal that nets them a first round draft pick.
Orlando trades JJ Reddick to Memphis.
Josh Smith ends up in Houston, Thomas Robinson ends up in Atlanta. Houston eventually makes Western Conference Finals. Atlanta loses in first round again.
Clippers trade Bledsoe to Utah for Al Jefferson and Mo Williams. Clippers fans cringe at the idea of Crawford and Williams on court together.
Now, what are your predictions?
Kings trade Tyreke Evans
Sacramento trades Kings to Seattle for cash.
Sorry but i somehow found that funny.
So Simple yet satisfying
Bledsoe for Al Jefferson and Mo Williams? Clips would have to throw in about $15M of filler - ever heard of the salary cap?
And yet - - - so True !!
Wasn’t doing full trades, just main components. A third team would be needed to absorb some money and contracts.
Ok, now THAT was good. Almost had a little Sonicsgasm there.
… and “future considerations”. ;-)
Satan trades David Stern’s soul back to him for nothing, citing “not wanting things to get that dark down here”.
It’s going to be interesting to see where Josh Smith lands.
Sounds as though it’s going to be Phoenix or Milwaukee.
(PHX shopping Gortat and Dudley, Bucks shopping Monta Ellis and whatever spare part they can get ATL to take)
I don’t get half these trades but the biggest one is Gordon for Barnes…why would either team do that trade?
I dont know why there was so much excitement for Thomas Robinson last year in the draft. Sure if he hit his peak he may be a fringe all star talent (doubtful) but I just never got the big deal. Honestly if he went to Iowa State instead of Kansas I doubt he goes in the top 10. To me he is just a taller version of Jon Brockman. Can rebound , play good defense, cant really do much offensively except offensive rebounds. Now he had some ok tools but to me he had way to many things that needed development to warrant a top 5 pick in the long run.
I mean they skipped over Lillard (who I wasnt high on but thought more of than Robinson), Drummond, etc. I think that I wouldve taken Robinson at #9 or #10 but at 5 was a reach IMO. Patrick Patterson isnt anything to behold but he is a nice piece. The rest of the guys are roster fodder though Douglas is serviceable as a backup PG but now the Kings have like 3 backup PG’s and Jimmer who masks as a PG because he cant play the 2.
In all honesty the Kings are full of back ups or guys that would be backups on most good teams. Cousins is a starting caliber talent with a bench attitude. Evans is intriguing because you wonder what he could become if he had a great PG to play with.
BTW the Maloofs made some money for themselves which I guess is good for them and pisses off everyone in Sacramento. Head scratching move because it was your lottery pick from this year. Guessing part of it is that they didnt believe in Robinson moving forward, get rid of Garcia, and to kill some of the fandom though that wont work this late in the game. That is something you do like Cway Benney did two years in advance to slowly bleed the fanbase dry. Two months out is not fooling anyone if that was their motive
Hellooo….
Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones
I’ll be on my flight to ATL when trade deadline passes. Hearing there’s a chance the Kings could make another deal. We shall see.
Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones
RT chuck hayes @c_hayes44 And it starts………..
(And for the record, Jason Jones is one of the Kings writers for the Sac Bee, so he’d know)
Kevin gets welcomed to the world of Blog management:
The Quote button doesn’t work?
Hey can you fix that?
Why don’t you verify every trade you put up?
Can you reformat the site again?
At least you get paid the big bucks….
Thanks man.
Thanks, Brian! :-) I actually love doing this.
This is better on Firefox… but this is better on my IPhone…Can you just redo the whole thing so it is perfect on both…
Yes. I’ll just make individual site ports per browser and device.
I don’t think the Warriors will(and should) trade for Eric Gordon.
That would create another midget backcourt just one year after they send Monta Ellis packing.
Though, Gordon’s a way better defender then Monta.
I do think that Josh Smith will end up in Houston, with Robinson going to ATL.
JJ Redick will get traded. Now the Spurs are rumored to be in the mix for him and I think he’d be great for them.
I don’t see the Clippers trading Bledsoe right now(more likely during the draft or free agency), cause sending Jordan as well won’t be a good trade, if it’s for Garnett alone. Though, if they could get Pierce as well, then that’s something they’d have to do.
A trade with Utah makes no sense for them, as Jefferson and Millsap are RFA this summer and would be way to expensive to keep.
BTW: That Kings/Rockets trade wasn’t good at all for the Kings and something Presti wouldn’t have ever done.
He’d at least gotten a pick out of this, cause saving some money is not enough for a #5 pick from a couple months ago.
Not too happy with the trade. I liked T-Rob and wanted him to be a Sonic. I don’t really see why Sac needed to dump salary, they already had one of the lowest payrolls in the league. Was it just to dump contracts heading to Seattle?
Yeah, I’m kind of surprised they did this move. It kind if just says the Maloofs wanted to pocket some cash. I know Woj said Hansen was briefed on the trade but I wouldn’t think he would have much say over this since he’s not officially owner yet and not sure he would have a personnel guy on speed dial he could run it by anyway.
As much as I’d like to see Jimmer and Evans go, would be hard to trade them for anything. Pretty useless players overall
@Silvo,
apparently according to Sam Amick the Rockets can’t trade Robinson now. He said he is waiting to get final confirmation on that though.
Rockets can trade T-Rob but only in a 1-for-1 trade. He cannot be part of a larger deal.
Thanks for the clarification
I’m not a huge fan of this trade either- I think after watchingna bit of Robinson, it is clear that he is much more raw that I thought coming out of KU. But, he is noticeably gifted athletically, and I was looking forward to watching his maturation the mostmoutnof anyone else on this roster.
My theory is that DMC respects Patterson from their college days, and they are bringing him in to help guide,mentor, and just make their franchise center happy.
Regardless, even if that isn’t the explicit intention (and it is only to get the 1.2MM), it should still have a positive effect to Cousins.
Evans goes in the summer, Jimmer on draft day.
Twitter buzz sounds like Josh Smith could be headed to Milwaukee.
So we traded Thomas Robinson for spare parts..but we could have had Josh Smith?
Now I’m getting even more pissed
Don’t think “we” could have. We didn’t have anything ATL would want. The rumored deal is Ellis/Udoh/picks for Smith/Harris. Nothing the Kings had would have matched that.
On second thought..seems some sactown fans feel that if patterson can compliment DMC and help get his act together, that it might be worth scrapping a lottery pick halfway through his first year.
I just hope it doesn’t come back to bite us in the end. But if Patterson can get DMC to stop being a mental midget,this might actually be good?
When is the draft lottery?
I was just basing it on the potential trade that Kevin proposed (Trob forJosh Smith.)
Oh and imagine if the Kings took Lillard. How fun would that team look up here? DMC with a proper Point guard?
It’s usually some time during the NBA Finals.
As opposed to the glut of score-first PGs the team has now. Thomas/Jimmer/Brooks/Douglas. Yeesh.
So we might keep 3-4 guys off of this Roster.
Not sure you can move Thornton. Keep IT, Patterson is a nice piece, and DMC. See if you can trade Evans/Jimmer for a pick.
So our situation will hopefully be resolved by then. So if the team indeed comes north, who should get the privilege of going to New York and repping the Sonics at the lottery?
Douglas has a team option after this year (which will not be exercised). Patterson and Aldrich both have contracts through next season.
Well, rumors are that Payton has been approached by Hansen to be involved in the FO. If that’s true, I say him.
Ken Berger @KBergCBS
Kings have talked with Warriors about taking minimum-salary player, with cash as sweetener. GSW trying to avoid tax; Sac has roster spot.
Paul, I think we all know that the team rep needs to be Shammond Williams. Or Ervin “Tragic” Johnson.
So . . . if this trade was the first of the gut of the team, what do you think this means for the next owners of the Kings? Any chance to get healthier through free agency? I know that there is a chance of the #1 draft pick but how much future help will come through the draft this year?
Correction, Aldrich’s contract is up after this year. That sheds some more light on this move.
After Paul and Howard, there’s no game changers in next year’s FA class. Some solid pieces, though (Okafor, Redick, Al Jefferson, Millsap)
@ESPNSteinLine
Latest word out of Boston: Celtics making deadline-day run at player they’ve pursued before … Tyreke Evans
HS to be through free agency as the kings have forfeited a lot of draft picks through trades over the years. These moves are clear the team is going to be sold (which we know they have a PSA but this certainly confirms things) and I venture to say that the Seattle group will be a player in free agency with the low number of contractual obligations. Hopefully they can get more picks through a trade
Being under the luxury tax will benefit this offseason too. The team (still not ready to say “we”) will be able to take on players in S&Ts so if contending teams are looking to dump salary, we could help them out.
@ESPNSteinLine
Kings, until today, have been rejecting all interest in Tyreke. But @mr_jasonjones of Sacramento Bee reports Kings revisiting that stance
I think we all know that the new Supersonics are going to be a bad team for a year or two, but if the right moves are made, that team can be recovered. I don’t know about you, but I can watch a lot of losing if it is return of the Supersonics. Hopefully, we will be able to see improvement as the time goes on pretty quickly.
If the Kings trade Tyreke, Kings fans are going to go nuts. I think that they are worried about Isiah Thomas being traded as well. If he isn’t, I think that gives us an idea how the Kings think the sale is going.
Don’t be pissed about Josh Smith. Dude has been squawking about getting a max contract this summer, and I for one am happy that the Sonics won’t be the team to overpay him.
The Robinson trade is fine with me. I wasn’t big on him, and the move brings in a guy who should be a capable back up PF whilst freeing up some cap space. The Maloofs also get to pocket some cash, so that should make them happy. Really doubt that Pat Patterson is going to have some sort of transformative effect on Cousins and his attitude. That line of thinking goes against everything we already know about Demarcus.
Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
Kings Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins have been given the impression that they would not be dealt, a source said.
Hinting that the kings will trade either tyreke Evans, Jason Thompson and Demarcus cousins
I think Pau Gasol and Rondo could be last second moves, where? I don’t know — just know that Ainge and Kupchak are very clever. Would NOT be surprised if Kings trade Cousins AND Evans.
man, hard to construct a trade between boston and sacattle that makes sense. One has to assume that you’d want expiring deals or useful parts for Evans. Boston really doesn’t have either of those. Lots of multi-year deals and uninteresting pieces.
Unless the deal included Rondo and I can’t imagine botston accepting anything less than a package for Cousins and Evans for Rondo. (Talk about tanking the season. That’s one sure fire way to the top of the lottery)
@Cysco - Bill Simmons yesterday on ESPN radio was talking about how the kings/Sonics should trade Cousins and I believe it was Evans and/or Jimmer for Rondo.
Is trading Thomas Robinson for Patrick Patterson the right move? I feel like they could have gotten more.
ESPN NBA Trade Machine is fun to use around this time of the year.
The only thing I can see that could work would be Tyreke + Brooks for Melo and Bass. Problem there is that Bass has two years left after this year @ $6 mill a year. Of course there would be pick(s) involved as well.
The two guys that I would really want off of the Celtics roster are Jeff Green and Avery Bradley, but doubt they would be moved by the Celts.
On the face of it, no, it isn’t. But the Hansen group isn’t in a place to say no. And form the sounds of it, the Maloofs need every penny they can get. It has to be more than just losing the Palms.
It was the right thing to do if the goal was to save as much money this year as possible. (which was the Maloof’s goal) If the goal was to improve the team, it was not the right move.
Houston in the lead to get Josh Smith. Depending on what they give up, they could be extremely scary.
Tweet of the day
” Chuck Swirsky
Chuck Swirsky @swirsk054 now
As the NBA trading deadline nears sources close to sources inform my source that Bill Wennington will not be dealt according to sources”
BTW: Evans to Boston would either have to include Sullinger(even though he’s out for the year) and a pick or would have to be something for Rondo.
Maybe something like:
Evans, Brooks
for
Rondo
Though, I doubt Boston would touch that…
I’m hearing Milwaukee and Phoenix.
lol
@WojYahooNBA
Asked one GM what he had: “We’re down to bullsh*t text message offers from people who couldn’t keep a straight face if they called.”
I like Thomas Robinson. But its not like the guy was playing all that good. Its just strange that they would give up on him so early.
Whos the better player?
15 mpg. .424 FG% 4.8 ppg 4.7 rpg 0.4 bpg 0.7 apg 10.87 PER
26 mpg .519 FG% 11.6 ppg 4.7 rpg 0.6 bpg 1.1 apg 15.6 PER
Slightly off topic, would you believe Howard Schultz is featured in a comic book?
http://tinyurl.com/ae5yjgq
Daniels and Jason Reid on outside the lines at 3/12
3est/12pst
Chris Daniels@ChrisDaniels5
TV ALERT: I’m scheduled to be a panelist on @espn show “Outside the Lines” @otlonespn today at NOON Pac/3pm Eastern. #NBAKings #NBASeattle
Shultz is the villain on the comic correct??
I would offer Boston Tyreke, Jimmer, and either Salmons/Thornton for Paul Pierce
or
Evans, Cousins, and Jimmer for Pierce
That 42% FG% from Robinson is ghastly. The combination of lack of height and lack of jumpshot is fatal on the offensive end.
Their not? Adrian Wajoski stated the Hansen group was notified of the possible trade. And typically when a team is pending sale, no transactions happen.
I would think if they really want and value Evans the way the media has portrayed, Evans for Bradley and a #1 isn’t implausible.
Nope. The comic is shameless self promotion.
Can you feel the love?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/sacramento-kings-weirdly-send-thomas-robinson-houston-rockets-040603051-nba.html
Still confused by the Robinson trade, but honestly at least for now he didn’t look like anything special. If the Kings do end up coming here I don’t care who they keep because I imagine they’ll blow the team up and Sacramento doesn’t really have anyone worth while. That being said for some reason I hope they keep DMC. I know he’s had some ups and downs, but I remember all those years we spent as a fanbase looking for a decent center and now that we could potentially have one, I don’t want to trade him away for nothing.
The Kings are a terrible terrible team. They need to be completely gutted and just start over. They only have one player worth anything. Its Cousins. Sending out $10 mm in salary and taking back $6 mm is probably a good thing.
i don’t know menace, i still feel like isaiah thomas can be one hell of a 6th man in the league. not a starter but could be a key spark plug off the bench
I would love for the Sonics to sign Ray Allen this off-season.
Nevermind, he’s not a free agent. Oops. :X
Well, he has a player option. Oof. I’m going to stop now.
Hes a fine role player. But you dont build teams around role players.
i never said you’d build a team around him. you said “They only have one player worth anything. Its Cousins.” i think you could use a young spark plug off the bench if you want to be a winning team. he was recognized as a rising star and has a lot of upside, therefore i’d call him “good.” remember antonio daniels with the sonics? he was huge but the team wasn’t “built around him.”
Mayor Johnson is also going to be on Outside the Lines today. Should be interesting to see if he sticks to the talking points.
Hopefully he doesn’t turn it into us vs them.
Jason Puckett just tweeted about the possibility of Felix Hernandez joining the Hansen/Ballmer ownership group - apparently it will be discussed on his Puckett’s show this afternoon. This would be pretty damn cool if it happens.
How can a active sports player be invovled in a ownership group of a team?
hmmm… that sounds awkward. i guess kj will either come out and make bold claims about sacramento being on the verge of a superior offer and that they will (in his mind) keep the team, or he will try to drum up sympathy and talk about how the city supports the team. i’m hoping he goes down the sympathy road because i think that would be a sign that they don’t have anything…
of those 4 I’d say Millsap is the only one that makes me interested.
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There is nothing banning a player from purchasing an ownership stake in a team from a different league. It certainly doesn’t have much precedent, but there isn’t any rules that ban it from happening. I believe there are rules against a player owning a team he plays for (or obviously any other team in that league). The CBA and/or leage constitution would ban this from happening. However, this is no different than Felix buying stock of a public/private company as a personal investment. Different league, no restrictions.
I’m not sure if Puckett is just speculating or trying to stir the pot – it’ll be interesting to see.
LeBron James is a part owner of Arsenal, the soccer team.
LeBron James is part owner of a pro soccer team
Thomas can be a piece to a winning team. The intangibles that he has will help any contending team and hopefully that is what this team will be in a few years.
Thomas could also believe that he deserves to be a starter due to how well he’s played the past couple of years and if that’s the case I would wish him the best as he finds a team who would start him.
I think that whole Felix/Sonics thing was a joke rumor they talked about after getting his big contract. I really think it was a reference to something that was said a couple weeks ago.
Softy and others (Puckett, Furness) have all joked about the idea of Felix taking some of his money and buying an ownership stake or even bidding on the 7%. I think that Puckett is just asking him about it as they (radio guys) have thrown it out there because it would tick off upper Mariner management and all that.
Yes Felix could buy in and I actually think it would be pretty cool and he could endear himself even more to the Northwest though he may be the most loved player Seattle has right now (russell wilson?).
Remember the main part for any Kings Trade will be money save and CASH CONSIDERATIONS
Peyton Manning is part of the ownership group that bought the Grizz, I believe.
It will probably be a sympathy path not an us versus them scenario considering that Jason Reid and Chris Daniels will both be on the show. Maybe the segments are separate. I really hope that some of the other guys ask him about all the particulars of his purported NBA-approved deal and all the particulars about the timeline he has. COuld be interesting.
It wouldn’t shock me if this becomes a new popular investment for elite players, particularly in the MLB when contracts are fully guaranteed. Pro sports have become a stable investment with franchise values consistently climbing. If you are a player and have extra cash laying around and love sports, why not?
For Felix, this would cement the type of legacy/reputation the guy is trying to build. He loves Seattle and wants to stay here for the the remainder of his career. Why not buy a minority share of the Sonics ? He has $175m, along with the ~$50m he already earned to “play” with.
This is how I feel about the trade. There is nothing outside of a transformed Cousins and IT (Seattle ties/fan interest) worth saving or worrying about on this Kings roster. If this team gets blown up and we get cap space then it’s better than the current path the franchise is on. I do agree that I would like to see more draft picks included though.
I would love for the Kings/Sonics to make a run at Durant when he’s available lol.
You are probably right, but I’d love to see it happen.
You are probably right, but I’d love to see it happen.
Evans is a real talent, the problem in that team is that there’s no veteran leadership. Just a lot of young guys playing like they are in the backyard without an idea of teamwork
Still having a hard time getting into actual NBA talk without fulling knowing the Hansen/Kings situation, but I’m trying here.
With that being said, I was listening to Mike&Mike this morning and they were discussing Dwight Howard. It sounds as if the Lakers have themselves a issue today in regards to him. So, being out of the NBA loop for 5 years or so now, is Dwight a possibility for the Sonics should the Lakers not sign or trade him today? Or do we not even want someone like Howard? I’ve always liked the guy from what I remember of him.
There is no way KJ is going to go the sympathy route exclusively. He irmly believes that his proposal will be stronger. The problem is he doesnt know the Hansen proposal tooth and nail to be able to legitimately make that claim. ALL KJ IS DOING AND HAS BEEN DOING is to chane the narrative of done deal so at least it puts that thread of doubt for the owners to take him seriously. My biggest concern is (IF Im a Kings fan) what about all the other failed attempts that looked like they were going to go thru and the NBA approved of and all that. The NBA knows it is taking a gamble big time with their arena going through. Seattle’s arena is alot further along and have an inkling it will get done. I doubt they have those feelings about a non existent plan that the council in Sacramento has approved the idea of but nothing else, framework already in place or not.
And if you think they are going to hand the franchise over to Burkle because the league says so, you are not paying attention.
They would spend the summer stripping out everything, sell furniture, and offer to the highest bidder that could Ellison.
The value of the franchise would drop the second the BOG would say “no” to Hansen. The only way to recover that value is to have an open bid, run in place for a half a season (again). And do this again.
Owners own the teams, not the fans, not the BOG.
I doubt Dwight would come to the Sonics. He originally wanted to be traded to Brooklyn and play with Deron Williams. There were talks he also wanted to go to Dallas. Houston has pursued Dwight for over a year as well and they will have cap space and another superstar in Harden that they can pair him up with.
I guess I should say “failed attempt that was NBA approved” but they did attempt to do an arena many of times.
Dwight’s a guy who will be entertaining to have and will get you wins. He’s not a guy to build a championship team around though. I wouldn’t mind having him on the Sonics but he isn’t worth what he’d expect to be paid.
He is a great talent but good good is he a complete diva. Too bad Kim Kardashian has hooded up with Kanya because DHoward and and KimK would make for the ultimate spoiled, diva couple. Whether or not he is worth the hassel is a valid question. I lean towards No. The guy thinks he can dictate how a team is run and operated, including voicing displeasure with coaches or other players. Personally, I think the guy is cancer to a team. With that in mind, i’ll pass.
I don’t know if I can watch him brick free throw after free throw…..
I meant “Good God is he a complete diva…”
haha no kidding. I guess we’ve been spoiled with predominately good shooting teams. We didn’t have any great big men who were horrible free throw shooters… just terrible big men who were terrible free throw shooters, but they didn’t take fts when it mattered.
I guess this might be the first time he gets some really direct questions considering that Bob Ley usually does great, pointed interviews. I would also be surprised if CD or Jason Reid don’t bring up some good rebuttals to whatever is said.
Well, Mitch Kupchak did say just the other day that Dwight is the future of the Lakers. And that when his career is over he should have his number retired and a statue put outside of Staples Center….not kidding either
Howard has a diva attitude that I dislike, the worst thing is the guy doesn’t consolidate as the main star on a team, he just wants to pair up with “another superstar” a la LeBron to make it easier to win. That’s why he wouldn’t go to a new team to start over a building process.
Also back injuries has taken the best of him lately.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8970449/the-trade-deadline-exchange-part-1
Good (and funny) analysis of the Kings-Rockets trade
how useful is asuperstar if he can’t play in crunch minutes cause he’d lose you the game in the FT line? Useless as your main guy out there when it matter the most
OMG. That would be epic. Well he does have a little $$$$ and I know he loves the city. Would this be against the M’s Ownership? Felix would be a all-time great.
Did you guys see the potential trade for Evans for Shumpert? I would like that for us.
I have been tracking every major sports reporter all day and I have not heard this rumor once.
LOL..Okay, no Dwight.
I appreciate the feedback, honestly. I have been so disconnected from the NBA, that I almost choked the other day when I saw Grant Hill was still playing and thought, “Man, I’m not that old if Hill is still in the league.” Then I see Tim Hardaway has a kid in college and I felt old again.
So does Glenn Robinson. And Glenn Rice, Jr. is in the D-League.
I would laugh all day and night i Felix won the bid on the 7%
now THAT would be awesome!
Glen Rice Jr. wouldn’t be in the DLeague if his mom wasn’t Sarah Palin.
Incarcerated Bob IBN @incarceratedbob
Kings have told the Knicks if they can find a 3rdteam they will heat up discussions for Tyreke Evans #Shump (Knicks on clock now)
Too bad he couldn’t buy into the M’s and be another Mario Lemioux
Oh man. You did not just quote Incarcerated Bob…
And it looks like Josh Smith will end up with… the Hawks.
Watching the Outside the LInes right now. i will update if I hear anything new or of interest (although I can only watch the first 20 or so minutes)
Not sure where KJ is, but he has a background of the Golden Gate bridge behind him…Guess they got the wrong city.
Did KJ take a plank out of his four point plan?
Basically talking about his plan to win again. He is still going through the talking points again and again. Looks like he wouldn’t let anyone rebut him as part of his agreement to go on the show I assume.
“WILL BE” introducing the whales this week or next
Taking a screenshot that looked like PAC Hiway around Feddy Way would have been more representative of the sartorial splendor of Sacramento.
Still said fair and competitive again. Basically said that they have their March 1st deadline.
How many times have we heard that now?
So basically KJ’s way to get his talking points on the national stage.
Been saying that for the past several weeks.
I don’t know. Twice a week for… how many weeks has this been going on now, with the empty pressers?
“WILL BE” introducing the whales this week or next
And Blah, Blah …….
Same thing different week. I don’t think they have anything.
Shocking, KJ will announce his whales this week….or next week. Think we’ll here this again on his self imposed deadline on March 1st?
Wonder why he is so reluctant to announce who he’s working with. I think they are not as committed as we are led to believe. I’d think some faces would help momentum in his end. Can’t wait to see what “fair and competitive” is. Sacramento market can’t match what Seattle can bring, investors can’t drop as much into the franchise. NHL is key here in Seattle as well, renting to another tennant will bring in much added revenue
has he said anything about timeline for legislation, financing package, site location?? isn’t that part of the march 1st deadline?
Wow Chris Daniels didnt get much face time compared to Jason Reid and Kevin Fippin. Not much stirring the pot though. Jason brought Hansen shattering the arena business modeal focusing on public subsidy and Kevin Fippin (Sactown Royalty) talked about them having the normal public subsidy as the main financing component for the arena
Interview with Felix is at 2pm. I’ll be listening so, If you guys want I will post what he says about sonics.
Well rumors are swirling it will be at the State of the City address on Feb 28. Either way it doesn’t really matter as they would be passed their own self imposed deadline to have an arena deal in place and we will see about the corporate support aspect as well.
Also the show was basically a rehash of everything that has been said ad nauseum.
I know KJ has been saying the same thing for weeks but HE WILL announce the whales Im sure of it by March 1st unless something goes terribly wrong (which would be great for all our colllective health lol). I still think that he will do it at the State of the City address on Feb. 28th with thousands attending and making it a rah rah event for PR purposes and public morale
I know people will say the NBA doesn’t care about there being a possible NHL team (and largely they don’t), but they would like to have that possibility will get more public money and will likely get a bigger valuation from a media rights deal that will help the NBA team be profitable. I assume that is something that might help Seattle with the BOG committees even if it is just a minor point. I have to believe they have some idea of what the tv revenue could be at least with basic forecasting of households.
KJ saying its unrepresented that a team with ownership group and a large subsidy would leave? Hello mr mayor where were you 5 years ago when the Sonics left seattle?
We had all that and the team still moved.
we did?
He hasn’t said much regarding that and yes its part of the march first deadline.
We had half of it. The state wouldn’t give any money But it wouldn’t have mattered anyway unless we held clay to the lease.
Remember the balmer efforts back in 08 in trying to keep the team there and his 300m plan to revamp the key where half of that 300 was a public subsidy (75m state 75m city)
thanks \, that’s what i thought… if they don’t have all that hammered out, whatever press conference takes place next week is all for show
No, he doesn’t need that because the Council voted to support him. /sarcasm
that’s my point in the question.
anyone else notice the sac dude on outside the lines was barely able to keep it together? squirming in his seat, looking away, dude looked like he wanted to scream.
Sorry, but we did not have that. We had an ownership group, and a half-baked idea for a renovation of Key Arena. Nothing had been event remotely passed our city or state legislature . I don’t think this changes anything for Sacramento, but I don’t think our situation is exactly parallel to theirs.
Sacramento didn’t have a complete done deal arena plan with it fully funded either though. What they voted on last year was just 1 of many votes to finalize that plan. The fact they still have to go through the biding process to sell the parking to a private group to even get the public funds for the plan which requires another vote.
To say it differently neither side had an ironclad arena deal.
I too, will be happy to hear the end of the “THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED!!! (Loud sobs)
talking point. The only difference is the Maloof ownership setting an unusually high bar, as opposed to Bennett’s method of hiding said bar entirely.
I know i find it a ridicilous statement to make. Teams in the history of pro sports have moved all the time.
Andy,
Do you know what i find unprecedented the NBA rejecting for non money related issues.
Another thing I read is that they aren’t entirely sure that selling parking will meet preliminary budget projections between 120 and 190 million dollars.
Insane. They provided themselves 70 million in estimate room, almost definitely based their IRON CLAD ARENA PLAN on the idea that collections would be toward the high end of that, and a year later- aren’t even sure they can hit the bottom end of their contributory share. It’s a house built of straw.
It really was half baked when you consider that the team was not for sale.
This just once again proves the fact that unless it happens to your team…….nobody really pays attention or cares about the details.
KJR keeps mentioning felix as possible part owner. this is a joke right?
KJ mention having a public subsidy for their plan of 250m. Where exactly are they gonna come up with that full amount?
Yea it has to be a joke.
Not to mention their arena website says $180-240 mill valuation. Not sure which is more like reality
Still worried until this is all done and we have final answer that Sonic’s are coming back.
I would guess if the BOG votes to approve sale/relo and he is still at it.
yeah, I remember that, the scorch of the earth. It sounds pretty ugly
I wouldn’t be going on national tv and talk about getting a large public subsidy with out a having a full plan on getting that full amount of said subsidy + a back up plan if plan A doesn’t provide enough.
Selling parking to get that 250m will only work if there is a LARGE bidding war.
Well, I pulled mine off a Sac Bee editorial. Even assuming they have the same viewpoint and competence of their counterparts at the Times, adjusted the number somewhere between the cynics and the boosters- lets take a number of 180- midway between 120 and 240… and this deal is still flat out ridiculous, with too many variables and too little time. Has the Burkle/AEG issue been resolved?
KJ isnt going to say anything against or anything that will slow the process down. He is trying to spin the national narrative. The BoG know the uphill battle he has and that he has to avoid lawsuits. The reason I say that is obviously Stern was neutral on our arena because of the lawsuits and wont say it is done. He will do the same thing and maybe more so against KJ. Time is ticking away. Even if KJ wouldve announced his investors and arena plan a month ago it wouldve been a huge uphill battle. Now he is stacking the proverbial deck against him even more.
KJ used the same narrative and I actually think that ESPN gave us more face time and credence after KJ left. Kevin Fippin pretty much didnt get to say much other than arguing that the NBA would rather have public subsidy and that it sucks the situation they are in
Just read this:
Trailblazers get Eric Maynor, the thunder gets a future draft pick.
That makes sense, the kings/Soncis should be looking for draft picks, not expiring rookie contracts
Odds of us getting a team is great i could argue that its 100% as off now that the Kings are coming here. Rather it remains at 100% or becomes 100% guarantee that the kings are coming here by the time April 18 hits remains to be see. What Sacramento does between now and apirl 18th will matter on rather or not that 100% become guaranteed or it drops.
I agree. And at his salary he is a steal. Hes done a great job. Exceeded all expectations. Im not saying get rid of him. But Seattle bias aside……..he isnt a building block. I just dont think he has the size. He has the skills and drive to have a nice career in the L. No shame in that. Plus its a real feel good coming home to Seattle story.
If you had to pick one player on that team you could keep it would be Cousins. If you could pick 2 it would Cousins and Patterson. IT might come in third.
Oh yeah I saw that number too in the editorial. Just saying they took bids for $180 minimum and then that was when the last deal fell through. Now if they relocate they lose parking spaces and this need to rebid. If they stay at rail yard they lose federal moneys. Still lots if work to do in one week
I don’t think NBA really cares how it gets paid for as long as it happens. IMO it should be smaller the subsidy the better for the financial health of the team.
Assuming we do get the team and a lottery pick what does the future after next season hold for us? What big free agents are out there? What will the draft look like following next season? I guess I’m looking beyond what will be a poor team this next season and looking for some talent!
Sorry, but we did not have that. We had an ownership group, and a half-baked idea for a renovation of Key Arena. Nothing had been event remotely passed our city or state legislature . I don’t think this changes anything for Sacramento, but I don’t think our situation is exactly parallel to theirs.
The plan wasn’t half-baked. It was fully formed and the city was on board with it (heck, even Van Dyk was on board with it). It was Olympia that wanted to kick the can down the road, lacking the sense of urgency that was needed.
What we did have was the lease, which the NBA refused to respect.
So while no situation is exactly the same, it would hardly be “unprecedented” for the NBA to run out on a city even when there were compelling reasons not to.
If the team does relocate I could see the Sonics trying to make a big push for CP3 which in that case they would keep Cousins. Tyreke is probably gone which is fine in my opinion. I could see CP3 being interested depending on who is in the front office and the coaching staff. Especially if he is willing to be patient for a year.
Now they could always go for the get the top pick in the 2014 draft and get Andrew Wiggins who is far and away the best prospect in years. Even if you land the #2 pick you get Jabari Parker
Cavs and Thunder build the right away. Always stock piling picks.
Cavs have three firsts this and two seconds. They have two first next year and three seconds! It’s unheard of to have that many picks in the NBA now. Especially when this is going to be a deep draft, not a spectacular draft, but full of solid role players.
The Kings fans say there’s no #1 in 2014 because of something called Hickson-Casspi. Expound?
It was half baked. Why would Ballmer put in all that money to build an arena for a team he wanted to buy……that was not for sale?
Did my own legwork; the pick is top 12 protected.
I guess it’s no big deal.
The kings have given away so many picks over the next 5 years it is sickening. And they didn’t get anything in return. If they move te sonics will suck for a couple years at least and the. Start to be a middling team unless they luck out in the draft in 2014
They’re half-right. The pick that was traded is protected top 13 this year, top 12 next year and top 10 in 2015 and 2016. It becomes a second rounder in 2017.
I think it keeps lowering for a certain number if years. If they suck up to that point I think it is just lost but could be wrong
CP3 can get the most money, live and market himself in L.A. and play with guys like Griffin for a championship if he stays with the Clippers.
IMO, there’s no way he’ll leave that, especially with what how the current SAC team’s built.
Tyreke will be gone this summer(S&T, I guess) and Cousins is the guy you’ve got to decide on.
Either you keep him, give him a fat extansion and built around him, or you’re trading him(most likely on draft day) for the best package you can get.
That’s pretty much the way to go.
In this day and age of the NBA you’re either contending or trying to (re)built your team.
As I view free agency as something you use to fill some holes with role players, the best way to get better is to collect as many assetts as possible to either let them grow together or use them to trade for a top notch player.
And given how many good prospects there seem to be in next years draft, it’s an easy choice.
There we go. Looks like we may not lose that pick at all
After this draft, Kings will not have a second rounder until 2018 (assuming they don’t trade for/buy one).
That’s the big Sacramento argument. Supposedly, The Kings, “weren’t for sale either”..well yes they were..just not to Burkle or the anyone who couldn’t bail out the Magoofs w an astronomically inflated price.
If that pick makes it to 2017 things could get interesting, because Boston already owns the Kings’ 2017 second round pick.
Ugh, with how high those picks will be there goes any chance to complement te too picks with role guys. Will need a good front office to navigate the draft sutuation
Top picks
I’ll be listening to the interview
Nevermind, got my answer. The 2017 pick to Boston is top 55 protected and the pick that would go to Cleveland is 56-60 protected.
Agree 100%. The idea that Ballmer, or this Sac group, can/could just decide to buy the team is completely half baked. Its illogical.
Eh, second rounders don’t even guaranteed contracts. If Hansen, et al, really wanted one they can usually be had for about a million.
I want Victor Oladipo. And if things continue as is……..they should be in a position to get him.
Jeff
Simmons: Enjoy, Kings fans! Is it possible the Maloofs made this deal to try to encourage Seattle’s ownership group to back out? I’m not ruling this out.
Why didn’t Hansen have the last say in this trade? I would have thought that would have been in the sale agreement that no trades will happen. If the NBA would have Ok the sale and location now this trade probably would not have happen. Something is not right here.
The Maloofs wouldn’t want Hansen to back out unless they know that they could get more money.
Hansen didn’t have final say because Hansen isn’t signing the checks yet.
Dale Kasler @dakasler
Mayor tells ESPN city’s contribution to #NBAKings arena will be between $200-250 million
In the case of the Sonics move to okc I suppose it could have given grounds for more owners to vote against the relocation if there was a solid plan in Seattle that clay was ignoring. Of course he was a man possessed to make sure that wasn’t the case.
Whales don’t care if you’re giving yourself 50 large in wiggle room- that’s why they’re whales, baby!! IRON CLAD PLAN!
I think the 2014 draft pick is lottery protected all the way thru 2017 I believe maybe I heard that wrong so dont assume that I am 100% right
Felix laughs and says that be great getting in on the ownership…..maybe a 1 percenter or a one million contributor (Sac lol)
I don’t remember him saying this unless it was off air or on a different segment. But that number fits the previous $240 million portion from the last deal.
What is funny is if the public contribution is 200 million then are they really contributing more than Seattle/King County? If we build the arena the NHL will come at some point……200,000,000=200,000,000
I remember him (and/or the StR guy) specifically referencing a $250M public subsidy.
Hansen is paying the bond back. I doubt Sac is going to see that money again. Am I missing something?
Well their portion is paid for through the parking lease so technical it is a similar. They just would lose that money from the general fund and hope it is repaid with increases in property and sales taxes from the new arena spurring development/activity.
Yeah, the Sac plan is them giving money away, not lending it, and to pay for it, they are taking a loss to their general fund each year for the next 30-50 years, depending on the length of the lease for the parking lots. It’s a money sink for them, a deal that wouldn’t even get proposed here, but each city is different.
Well, I mean, it’s not like the city of Sacramento is hurting for money, right?
KJ mention something to the lines of 250m on outside the line today.
Say a “competitive” arena deal is introduced in Sacramento using 250 million in public funds. How much will be required from the team? Also, what steps, votes, etc will need to be taken in order to fully approve the public’s contribution?
If that 250m is coming from selling parking how long would it take to get that parking sold?
Eric, I would presume pretty much everything we’ve done is what they’d need to do. They essentially need to come to an agreement regarding an arena with an investment group that’s contingent, like ours, on them acquiring a team.
http://www.neontommy.com/news/2013/02/inevitable-relocation-phoenix-coyotes
Good article about the ongoing Coyotes saga, with the author speculating that we are the logical destination if we get the Kings.
They said at the council vote they would enter into discussions and have more votes and meetings. Plus there is some debate on what the private contribution would be depending on site and how much the parking would generate
How long would it even take to find out how much the parking would generate?
Sacramento has to be retarded then giving away their parking money for up to half a century to pay for an arena. I cant believe the city council wouldnt atleast want to dissect that and just give it away. Their money I guess and if the constituents are ok with it. That just sounds like grounds for massive lawsuits because I am guessing there are more than a few citizens that would be against that .
Especially since they need to remember that quality free agents probably arent going to go there over much better destinations. There is no guarantee the city will make money off the deal and its probably a higher probability they wont. Plus the fact that in time we will have two anchor tenants and they would only have one.
Yea there are groups against it and i’m just guessing there will be a lawsuit over that.
According to their arena website timelines it would have taken anywhere from 6 to 12 months after final bids were submitted. If they need to redo initial bids due to change in parties, location, and time since initial offer (which is needed) then add a few more months. So even if the speed it up it is something like 9 months and at worst a year plus
They would need to also see why eyes the parking would be stats they want to make sure it doesn’t get to high or increase at too fast a rate. Thy lowers bid values. Also if people have to pay more to park and/or if there is a Los of the mall then tax revenue from downtown spending and parking may go to the suburbs. Lots f factors to consider that have yet to even be considered by the council
Plus if you are a city council member in the back of your mind you can get the money back that is owed (70 million or Sleep Traing Arena) and then negotiate a better arena deal in hopes of doing what Seattle just did. If they have the ownership in place long term (if/when the Kingsleave) they could end up paying less in public subsidy and out of the general fund and also recoup the money owed Sleep Train or more likely gain Sleep Train thru collateral. I guess its rather suprising that the city council in Sacramento would just jump in head first in haste. Anyways not our city so I cant say too much because it wont affect my quality of life if there is less money for public needs.
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It would be awesome if Felix could bid on the 7% and win with assurances that Hansen would buy lets say 5% from him letting Felix have a small stake. Then if Hansen is denied Felix could use his RoFR and back door it like the Kings faithful are hoping can be done lol
Per the discussions last year, the cost of the arena was to be 390M , with the Maloofs responsible for 75M and AEG for 60M. That would make the city share 255M. The speculation was that Sac would get 230 from parking sales (which was a 9M yearly hit to the GF) and another 25M from . In addition, any shortfalls in parking revenue would be backed by the GF.
Now, they have one prospective owner, who wants to buy the other entity that was to provide major financing. And no one has really speculated on how this would affect funding. I’m just a guy at home; I’m sure billionaires have more pointed questions than this.
They don’t have exactly 6-12 months to come up with that funding and even then there are issues if it wouldn’t even be enough. Is the NBA truly going to wait 6-12 months for that and to even find out that it won’t be enough.
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Sacramento has to be retarded then giving away their parking money for up to half a century to pay for an arena. I cant believe the city council wouldnt atleast want to dissect that and just give it away. Their money I guess and if the constituents are ok with it.
It does seem like a risky plan. I think the reason they’re resorting to that is because it’s so hard to raise taxes in California (at least without a public vote), even harder than it’s getting in our state. And when they tried to raise taxes for an arena in 2006, it lost 80% to 20%.
Parking Lease is only at Railyard. Plaza won’t have that Parking
Where would the 250m come from if the site is at the plaza?