Proposals Unleashed

Today renovation proposals for the renovation of KeyArena into an NBA/NHL ready facility were released by the Seattle Office of Economic Development.

These proposals are available for review HERE:

Friend of the blog and reporter for King 5 news Chris Daniels provides an excellent summary of the proposals HERE:

There will be a lot of time spent analyzing the details of these proposals and our writers are working on a series of articles to compare them against each other and the Sodo proposal. One thing that certainly stands out immediately is the relative formality and structure of these proposals when compared with earlier arena proposals in Sodo. Letters from proponents such as Jerry Buss and the Ackerly family are meaningful and should add some legitimacy to AEG and OVG claims that they intend to pursue NBA and NHL franchises. It will be interesting to see if the Sodo group can deliver comparable endorsements from similarly qualified individuals.

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Finally some information on parking solutions from OVG, not very helpful imo but interesting

PARKING SOLUTIONS
Parking Technology
OVG will incorporate a mobile parking app like those being deployed at arenas
such as Moda Center in Portland, whereby customers can pre-purchase parking
and view all available parking and pricing options in real time. OVG will include
as many of the parking facilities as possible in EXHIBIT 8 to solve the issue of
inefficient utilization. Auto mode customers will know exactly where to go to find
the parking option that fits their price, convenience and locational needs before
they start their trips. This will significantly reduce traffic in the neighborhoods
caused by customers searching for parking.

Traditional Marketing
OVG also will use traditional measures, such as a Transportation Guide for
event attendees, containing event access and parking information; providing
information via web pages, email and other publicity such as Metro Transit and
Sound Transit schedules, printed and broadcast media, periodic mailings to
season ticket holders, postings on video boards within NASC and announcements
during events.

Incentives
OVG will also offer opportunities to cross-market with restaurants and bars in the
Uptown neighborhood to encourage event attendees to arrive in the area before
an event and/or stay in the area longer following an event. This would help spread
the arrival and departure rates of fans traveling to and from NASC.

Distributed Parking
Added congestion and delay associated with event traffic on local streets near
NASC can be substantially reduced by making attendees aware of less expensive
and more easily accessible parking outside of the Uptown Urban Center. Traffic
congestion also will be reduced by having fewer autos searching for parking due to
technology that directs them to the parking they desire. This would distribute auto
access to other local and lesser-used routes.
As described in the Parking Existing Conditions section, event parking will be
dispersed in multiple locations near NASC, including south of Denny Way and in
South Lake Union, allowing auto access to be dispersed throughout the vicinity of
NASC. This will improve traffic operations and reduce congestion for event patrons
and other roadway users on commonly used local streets near NASC.
The addition of the 850-car garage adjacent to NASC will be primarily reserved
parking for large events. It will reduce on street impacts for smaller events.
Downtown Parking
OVG will also encourage and promote parking near Westlake Station – with more
than 2,000 parking stalls and a quick direct connection to Seattle Center via the
Monorail – by bundling tickets with Monorail passes or by providing vouchers for
food and beverages. This would distribute auto trips further away from NASC and
reduce the impact of event auto trips on streets in the immediate vicinity of the
arena.

Neighborhood Shuttles
OVG has explored the possibility of having coordinated shuttles between NASC
and the parking in South Lake Union. By 2020, there will be over 10,000 parking
stalls available for occupancy during the evening event hours. The shuttle service
could be operated on multiple routes using existing shuttle transports to transport
event patrons to NASC. This direct shuttle service would be coupled with reduced
parking rates at garages encouraging event patrons who choose to drive to park in
more remote offsite parking spaces.

This is from the link Brian provided at the top of the page

Both groups are approaching traffic solutions similarly

They aren’t reinventing the wheel. They are looking to invest some money to strengthen what already exists. The concepts seem to be to encourage people to park just off the freeway and then use other means to get to the Center. These include shuttles, ridesharing services (Uber, Lyft, Chariot), the monorail, etc.

AEG has some decent concepts. I’m just not sold on the amount they are looking to contribute to these solutions. They are offering $5 million across the board. Now, $5 million is nothing to scoff at, but relatively it’s rather small for these kinds of projects.

It all seems like half measures at best to me

This very much reminds of my time in England

When i was a young Airman at RAF Mildenhall, many friends and myself would take trips to London. We never attempted to drive into the City itself. I Freeway that basicly circled the city and where the other Freeways intersected they had Large parking lots with a Tube station that could take you anywhere in the city you wanted to go. Now obviously thy have a much transportation system than Seattle but hopefully that it changing.

Takin an Uber...

Will still put a car by the arena, that doesn’t really solve your traffic problem. It is my understanding that in SF Uber/Lyft has actually made traffic worse cause you have so many random cars driving around looking to pick people up.

Yep, a car that will stop in traffic to let passengers in/out

They've proposed

a special loading/unloading zone specifically for ride shares.

That has the potential to help

As long as it is large enough, accessible enough, and all of the agencies (and their drivers) buy in. I would hazard a guess that it doesn’t completely resolve the mid-street stops, and that it could in fact provide another block as vehicles pile up on the streets trying to access it at crunch time.

Ride shareable don't help traffic

Do taxis help traffic? The point is getting cars off the road. That is difficult at Key. SODO so many different modes of transportation drop you off at the door and keep your car out of the city

This is mostly meaningless

Where is the data? I know you could only do so much in 3 months but that’s important for their proposal to distinguish it from SODO. It would be better for them to have info on how many of the "available" stalls actually are actually occupied by workers and residents. And the fact that you reserve parking won’t necessarily decrease traffic. Maybe it will make it more efficient but I could argue it will just give people a false sense of security that they can just whizz right to their spot and create greater congestion closer to the game.

Still the idea is Good as a component to the overall solution, (especially since the lot owners will probably jump on board for the security of having spaces sold well in advance) just not sure it will make much of a dent. Most people acknowledge that direct access to the light rail is the only thing that will really be helpful.

See guys...

The reason that parking/traffic sucked when you went to the games was because they didn’t promote parking in alternative areas and you didn’t know that it existed.

That’s one part about the monorail solution that is pretty amusing…we all know the monorail existed and didn’t think it was a viable option.

The thing that makes the monorail more

Viable is west lake light rail and the slu trolley

The SLU tram

Doesn’t even run late if I remember correctly (I thought it stopped at 6 but could be misremembering). And it is actually slower than walking as I used to work in Eastlake and had to catch a community transit on Stewart. Sometimes the 66 or 70 were delayed so i would be in between pickups. walking or the trolley were the options other than waiting. The tram gets stuck turning at mercer because it runs in the center of east lake and the intersection is often blocked or traffic is backed up for multiple lights. It isn’t part of the transit solution for key arena (though it will be billed as one im sure).

Or

Maybe it was closed early on Friday. Either way. It is not really a game time solution for people living in eastlake.

The monorail not an option.....

In the current state. A monorail one way can handle 2500 an hour. A single light rail car can handle 16k. Even if you expand it, public money going to have to pay for that and the technology is so old it will have to be completely revamped $$$

The Alweg trains are 55 years old

When one of them breaks down parts have to be custom machined.

I suppose the city can put newer rolling stock on the tracks but I have no clue what it would cost.

AEG remodel plan stuff starts around page 410

If people want to know. Oi was it that necessary for them to do a couple hundred pages worth of stuff on they done in the past.

Apparently i was wrong

i looked through AEG’s proposal 3 times and there is nothing in there that shows what the arena interior design looks like. OVG document shows it. AEG’s document lacks it.

I am not impressed with AEG here and their document.

They don't include it.

Designs and plans are in a separate document not released to the public.

These are about the proposal and answering the RFP.

I assume its cause its a private project?

or it wasn’t necessary to make it public at this time?

I'm guessing it's proprietary information

And they’ll either make it available at the open house or they’ll wait until they are selected and it goes through the design review process to make it public.

it would still be nice to let the public know what exactly the 250m in bonds would show us

Before it gets decided on if its going to be OVG or AEG pick to go up against sodo.

Are the letters of recommendation really a big deal?

I mean, both groups have long-standing relationships in both the NBA and NHL. We know that. Nothing new. The question we all have is 1) Does the NBA/NHL league offices view these proposals as state-of-the-art world class arenas? 1) Does a renovated Key Arena help or hurt our chances at getting a team relative to SoDo?

Am I missing something, or does a letter of rec from any of these owners really do anything but show that AEG and OVP have friends in high places, which we already knew about? Unless i missed something, these letters did nothing but show that AEG and OVP are good at working with NBA and NHL franchise owners. There is no mention of the design and meeting standards of the NBA/NHL, nor having a structure in place that would lead to getting a team. And, i didn’t see a league office letter of rec.

I mean, is this ANY different than Chris Hansen having Steve Ballmer in his court?

Daniels said "AEG also listed NBA commissioner Adam Silver and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman as references in the proposal."

But I don’t see what he’s referring to.

fair point.... I would hope that turns into a phone call...

On a separate note, i found the Monorail concepts by OVG to be interesting… The rendering of the expanded Westlake platform shows a massive platform compared to what is currently there. If this could really double the ridership capacity – I can definitely see it being a component of the solution. If the monorail can move 2,500 people within the first ~ 30 minutes after the end of a game, it becomes a decent option for people that take light rail or work/park downtown.

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