Today renovation proposals for the renovation of KeyArena into an NBA/NHL ready facility were released by the Seattle Office of Economic Development.
These proposals are available for review HERE:
Friend of the blog and reporter for King 5 news Chris Daniels provides an excellent summary of the proposals HERE:
There will be a lot of time spent analyzing the details of these proposals and our writers are working on a series of articles to compare them against each other and the Sodo proposal. One thing that certainly stands out immediately is the relative formality and structure of these proposals when compared with earlier arena proposals in Sodo. Letters from proponents such as Jerry Buss and the Ackerly family are meaningful and should add some legitimacy to AEG and OVG claims that they intend to pursue NBA and NHL franchises. It will be interesting to see if the Sodo group can deliver comparable endorsements from similarly qualified individuals.
Comments
Finally some information on parking solutions from OVG, not very helpful imo but interesting
This is from the link Brian provided at the top of the page
By Gene Hunt on 05.01.17 10:08am
Both groups are approaching traffic solutions similarly
They aren’t reinventing the wheel. They are looking to invest some money to strengthen what already exists. The concepts seem to be to encourage people to park just off the freeway and then use other means to get to the Center. These include shuttles, ridesharing services (Uber, Lyft, Chariot), the monorail, etc.
AEG has some decent concepts. I’m just not sold on the amount they are looking to contribute to these solutions. They are offering $5 million across the board. Now, $5 million is nothing to scoff at, but relatively it’s rather small for these kinds of projects.
By Matt Tucker on 05.01.17 10:33am
It all seems like half measures at best to me
By Gene Hunt on 05.01.17 10:57am
This very much reminds of my time in England
When i was a young Airman at RAF Mildenhall, many friends and myself would take trips to London. We never attempted to drive into the City itself. I Freeway that basicly circled the city and where the other Freeways intersected they had Large parking lots with a Tube station that could take you anywhere in the city you wanted to go. Now obviously thy have a much transportation system than Seattle but hopefully that it changing.
By Malve on 05.01.17 5:13pm
Takin an Uber...
Will still put a car by the arena, that doesn’t really solve your traffic problem. It is my understanding that in SF Uber/Lyft has actually made traffic worse cause you have so many random cars driving around looking to pick people up.
By blykmyk44 on 05.02.17 8:01am
Yep, a car that will stop in traffic to let passengers in/out
By cortone on 05.02.17 8:47am
They've proposed
a special loading/unloading zone specifically for ride shares.
By Taylor Bartle on 05.02.17 9:39am
That has the potential to help
As long as it is large enough, accessible enough, and all of the agencies (and their drivers) buy in. I would hazard a guess that it doesn’t completely resolve the mid-street stops, and that it could in fact provide another block as vehicles pile up on the streets trying to access it at crunch time.
By cortone on 05.02.17 11:43am
Ride shareable don't help traffic
Do taxis help traffic? The point is getting cars off the road. That is difficult at Key. SODO so many different modes of transportation drop you off at the door and keep your car out of the city
By DJDawg77 on 05.03.17 9:40am
This is mostly meaningless
Where is the data? I know you could only do so much in 3 months but that’s important for their proposal to distinguish it from SODO. It would be better for them to have info on how many of the "available" stalls actually are actually occupied by workers and residents. And the fact that you reserve parking won’t necessarily decrease traffic. Maybe it will make it more efficient but I could argue it will just give people a false sense of security that they can just whizz right to their spot and create greater congestion closer to the game.
Still the idea is Good as a component to the overall solution, (especially since the lot owners will probably jump on board for the security of having spaces sold well in advance) just not sure it will make much of a dent. Most people acknowledge that direct access to the light rail is the only thing that will really be helpful.
By Barely Able on 05.01.17 10:50am
See guys...
The reason that parking/traffic sucked when you went to the games was because they didn’t promote parking in alternative areas and you didn’t know that it existed.
That’s one part about the monorail solution that is pretty amusing…we all know the monorail existed and didn’t think it was a viable option.
By blykmyk44 on 05.02.17 7:59am
The thing that makes the monorail more
Viable is west lake light rail and the slu trolley
By freelander on 05.02.17 9:16am
The SLU tram
Doesn’t even run late if I remember correctly (I thought it stopped at 6 but could be misremembering). And it is actually slower than walking as I used to work in Eastlake and had to catch a community transit on Stewart. Sometimes the 66 or 70 were delayed so i would be in between pickups. walking or the trolley were the options other than waiting. The tram gets stuck turning at mercer because it runs in the center of east lake and the intersection is often blocked or traffic is backed up for multiple lights. It isn’t part of the transit solution for key arena (though it will be billed as one im sure).
By Barely Able on 05.02.17 12:59pm
Or
Maybe it was closed early on Friday. Either way. It is not really a game time solution for people living in eastlake.
By Barely Able on 05.02.17 1:04pm
The monorail not an option.....
In the current state. A monorail one way can handle 2500 an hour. A single light rail car can handle 16k. Even if you expand it, public money going to have to pay for that and the technology is so old it will have to be completely revamped $$$
By DJDawg77 on 05.03.17 9:43am
The Alweg trains are 55 years old
When one of them breaks down parts have to be custom machined.
I suppose the city can put newer rolling stock on the tracks but I have no clue what it would cost.
By Mark.S40 on 05.03.17 11:28am
AEG remodel plan stuff starts around page 410
If people want to know. Oi was it that necessary for them to do a couple hundred pages worth of stuff on they done in the past.
By gstommylee on 05.01.17 10:46am
Apparently i was wrong
i looked through AEG’s proposal 3 times and there is nothing in there that shows what the arena interior design looks like. OVG document shows it. AEG’s document lacks it.
I am not impressed with AEG here and their document.
By gstommylee on 05.01.17 10:57am
They don't include it.
Designs and plans are in a separate document not released to the public.
These are about the proposal and answering the RFP.
By Matt Tucker on 05.01.17 10:59am
I assume its cause its a private project?
or it wasn’t necessary to make it public at this time?
By gstommylee on 05.01.17 11:04am
I'm guessing it's proprietary information
And they’ll either make it available at the open house or they’ll wait until they are selected and it goes through the design review process to make it public.
By Matt Tucker on 05.01.17 11:10am
it would still be nice to let the public know what exactly the 250m in bonds would show us
Before it gets decided on if its going to be OVG or AEG pick to go up against sodo.
By gstommylee on 05.01.17 11:12am
Are the letters of recommendation really a big deal?
I mean, both groups have long-standing relationships in both the NBA and NHL. We know that. Nothing new. The question we all have is 1) Does the NBA/NHL league offices view these proposals as state-of-the-art world class arenas? 1) Does a renovated Key Arena help or hurt our chances at getting a team relative to SoDo?
Am I missing something, or does a letter of rec from any of these owners really do anything but show that AEG and OVP have friends in high places, which we already knew about? Unless i missed something, these letters did nothing but show that AEG and OVP are good at working with NBA and NHL franchise owners. There is no mention of the design and meeting standards of the NBA/NHL, nor having a structure in place that would lead to getting a team. And, i didn’t see a league office letter of rec.
I mean, is this ANY different than Chris Hansen having Steve Ballmer in his court?
By ksmith1984 on 05.01.17 11:15am
Daniels said "AEG also listed NBA commissioner Adam Silver and NHL commissioner Gary Bettman as references in the proposal."
But I don’t see what he’s referring to.
By Taylor Bartle on 05.01.17 11:19am
fair point.... I would hope that turns into a phone call...
On a separate note, i found the Monorail concepts by OVG to be interesting… The rendering of the expanded Westlake platform shows a massive platform compared to what is currently there. If this could really double the ridership capacity – I can definitely see it being a component of the solution. If the monorail can move 2,500 people within the first ~ 30 minutes after the end of a game, it becomes a decent option for people that take light rail or work/park downtown.
By ksmith1984 on 05.01.17 11:38am