It was a big day for us Sonics’ fans today with the court victory over the ILWU. I want to change gears a bit though, take you by the hand and take you back down on a stroll of memory lane. Tonight we’re going to take a look at the 16th pick in the 1989 NBA draft, Dana Barros. He was the fourth point guard taken that year behind Pooh Richardson, Mookie Blaylock and Tim Hardaway.
Barros only played four years with the Sonics, his best year coming in his rookie season.
We all remember Dana as a hot shooting, point guard from Boston College. He started 25 games for the Sonics in the 89-90 season and during 17 of those games he was red hot.
From February 7 to March 12 Barros averaged 20 points per game, 3.7 assists, 3 rebounds and a steal in just a bit over 37 minutes of play. He shot 42% from the field, 43% from three and 83% from the line. He also had his Sonics career high of 26 against the Hawks during this stretch.
Unfortunately those 17 games were probably the best stretch that Barros had with the Sonics. He only averaged 7.3 points per game for the final 20 games of the season and didn’t start at all in his second season and played significantly less minutes as the Sonics decided to play some guy named Gary Payton a bit more.
He could never really crack the lineup that much with most of the minutes going to Payton, Nate McMillan and Ricky Pierce. He started to become the odd man out in the back court.
Barros played a total of 291 games as a Sonic, averaged 8.1 points per game over his four seasons and was eventually traded to the Charlotte Hornets as part of the Kendall Gill trade. He was traded to Philadelphia two days later.
Random note and not a pretty one: The Sonics were 0-5 when Dana Barros scored in the double digits in the playoffs.
Barros currently works in the front office for the Boston Celtics as part of the their media division.
just checked out the arena images chris daniel’s posted. highlighted a few areas in red, anyone else think these are the standing room/bar type areas that have been hinted about? they definitely don’t appear to be seats.
attempted to post an image above. anyone know what tags i can use to get one to show up?
Oooooh dont think i like the sleeves on the warriors jerseys
I think Barros was also one of the league’s best rappers (in an era when the league was full of aspiring ones). I think he nicknamed Ricky Pierce “Big Paper Daddy.”
jason if you go to the previous thread and go down to one of the images and click quote it’ll show the tags you need to use.
Warriors look like a rec team.
R.E. Graswich @REGraswich
David Bienick of KCRA 3 asked right question: does first city to build new arena win Kings? Yes.
LOL
so Graswich is admiting we win :P.
Seriously how is Sacramento expect to build the new arena first when they are so behind the process?
theyve done really well with everything jersey wise like logo and color scheme imo but those sleeves are just brutal. Looks like a division 2 basketball team….
Niether Arena will be finalized. It will come down to the best plan and ownership group and oh by the way Seattle has a signed agreement with a strong arena plan.
I think he means whichever city’s arena is closest to being “shovel ready”.
Seattle’s arena will be shove meets ground long before sac’s will be anyways
Will sacramento’s be shove meets ground at the end of the year? Nope.
Interestingly, Aldridge also said the city that has a shovel ready arena first will get the Kings.
Does anyone know when the EIS is to be completed?
Yeesh. Those Warriors uniforms are not good. Sleeves and pinstripes on the shorts only aren’t a good combination.
I’ve heard it’ll be out May/June.
As I recall, Dana was somewhat vertically challenged.
How is sacramento suppose to make up that much ground and get a EIS done in order to get shovel meets ground before seattle does.
Dave Softy Mahler @Softykjr
@REGraswich have u taken the time to research Seattle arena process? Sounds like you haven’t.
How were we supposed to pull an arena out of our @ss in the run up to the Sonics moving? Exactly. Allowing them to make a “bid” is different if you know already they won’t have much, making your decision easier. At least I think.
KJ will face each of the council members in a gauntlet-style 1-on-1 tournaments with the agreement that a victory by the mayor will ensure the blind allegiance of all Sac officials.
Arty Art Art…
http://sportspressnw.com/2013/02/thiel-hansen-wins-longshore-suit-kj-needs-deep-3/
The one comment was ridiculous. So who ever gets the better public subsidy wins? seesh.
Strange, I want a Soncs version of that right now. Not digging the overwhelming yellow though, they look like bug lights.
Jersey or warm-up shirt?
Dana Baros?
Since we’re talking about insignificant Sonics how about Denny Vranes or Dennis Awtrey? At least Awtrey was on the 79 championship team.
Where is Schefler’s thread?
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/small-port-big-competition-canadas-threat-seattle-/nWXh9/
The ILWU needs to worry more about the Canadian port than the sodo arena.
Was thinking about doing Sherell Ford actually.
That comment sounds like its from a UW law student
WOW!!!! The Blazers are completely getting screwed by the refs tonight! I haven’t seen a game this badly officiated in a long, long time.
Green with gold, both, gold with green warm up shirt.
All that yellow, or Sonics gold, is a bit much.
I think a black shirt with green lettering and gold accent would be sweet.
Final play of the game Kobe deck Lillard in the head on a three point attempt in front of two officials and no call.
It was a 3.
Totally was a three. They watched the replay for five minutes.
And for those who didn’t see Jeff Green’s stat line from tonight, should look it up. Probably his best game as a pro.
Bart Kofoed!
I heard the judge who dismissed the suit today appropriately thought I.L.W.U. was an acronym for Inane Logic Was Used.
He and Marty Conlon taught me how to rebound.
Could be a dumb question- but, hey I’ll own it.
Per today’s ruling: Sac rhetoric continuing to throw out - - - Hansen/Sea arena arguing to court “not a done deal”. And yet, Sea/Hansen says “we have a legally binding PSA”. Sac rhetoric says we can’t have it both ways.
Correct me if I am wrong - - PSA deals with the sale of the team between Hansen/MaGoofs. Today’s court argument - “not a done deal” pertains to the final approval of the proposed Arena and has nothing to do with the legally binding PSA.
Sea can play in KeyArena until the new arena EIS, SEPA etc approval is complete. Do they not understand the difference between a legally binding PSA and a “not a done deal” Arena approval or am I missing something ?
Dana is about 5’10″ but he could sky. Dining a the Queen Anne Pagliacci Pizza one late summer afternoon in 1989 and who should walk in but Mr. Bad Michael Cage. Love Michael Cage. I introduced myself and he was kind enough to speak with me. I asked him about the new first round picks, Barros and the guy picked right after him, the little known Shawn Kemp. He told me Barros could really shoot and that Kemp had talent. I always thought it was unfortunate that Cage was shifted to center as Kemp emerged. He could box out Olajuwon, though.
“Was thinking about doing Sherell Ford actually.”
Wonder what Rich King is up to.
I’ve seen Rich King broadcasting college hoops.
Probably holding a barbeque on the end of the bench with Steve Scheffler.
One guy went to college for 4 years, one didn’t. FWIW
For the bargain price of 15 American dollars, you can sponsor the Basketball Reference Page of the 1991-92 Seattle Supersonics, featuring the aforementioned luminaries.
I may be completely wrong, and I didn’t get to watch the hearing, but I think it means that the process of the EIS and the final vote for the arena (which sounds from what we are hearing from the Mayor as perfunctory) have still not been accomplished. So, I think they were arguing that their argument has no merit because we don’t know 100% that the EIS will land on the side of SODO and we don’t know if or what will come out of the EIS as it relates to environmental impact.
I still say that they should have fought City Hall when SODO was designated as the stadium area. They are a bit late. It isn’t like there wasn’t a possibility of another stadium/arena going into that area.
So, I was thinking yesterday about the Key. I was wondering how much had to be done. I remember when Bennett moved out of the city that he took almost everything that wasn’t nailed down. I have only been in the Key for concerts and I think almost every seat I sat in needed to be re-covered. I don’t remember seeing any TVs in the corridors, but they may have been there. Other than those things it is still a very usuable place. I would imagine maybe the locker rooms may need a little more sprucing up. I would think the money that the Hansen group has promised for the Key would be more than enough.
I’ve heard the locker rooms are pretty out-of-date at Key. I think the money promised in the interim though is enough to do the minimum in terms of any updates for a few years (as projected) because the big bucks will go into the amazing new arena (anyone else think it looks like Portland’s Rose Garden a bit on the outside?).
In terms of the League approving the Hansen-Ballmer versus Sacramento — I would think Key Arena is a bit ahead of Arco/Sleep Train Arena in terms of short term “fixes” until the new arena is built. That is, neither city has final approval for their new arena and so I think the upgrades to Key are more tenable than the upgrades to Sleep Train Arena in the interim as both cities overcome the various processes for a new arena.
I really like the Warriors new uniforms — that was a great game last night against the Spurs.
So, I was thinking about who would say “no” to relocation from the BOG. I can’t think of a team would do it. Maybe one of the CA teams. Certainly not Portland, Dallas or OKC (I don’t think Bennett would dare vote “no”, but he can be petulant so I don’t think he is 100%).
I remember one of the council members saying that the wiring needs to be upgraded to accommodate HD. They were going update the seats in the lower bowl, locker rooms
Bennett will not say no since he’s head of the comittee.
I don’t think it’s going to come down to counting votes. If the NBA wants to go with Sac, I think a strong majority will vote for Sac, if they want to go with Seattle, I think all of them, spare maybe 1 or 2 who want to look like heroes or sway Sac fans to symbolically vote against it. The decision will be made before they ever officially vote on anything.
I liked Dana Barros a lot as a Sonic. The team just had too many good guards at that time. I recall that hot stretch he had his rookie season. What a great pair of rookies Barros and Kemp were! He was great with the Sixers for a season or two.
I watched the Kings/Hawks game last night and it was fun watching Isaiah Thomas go off. DeMarcus Cousins can really impress when he has it going. There is talent on this roster. It needs nurturing and development desperately. Leadership.
Chris Daniels @ChrisDaniels5
RT @RicBucher: Take whatever you want from it: asked if Ron Burkle could keep the Kings in Sacramento, a Burkle business assoc said, “Iffy.”
That’s ultimately been Sacto’s problem all along. The team is worth more up here than down there. They will need to find someone willing to lose money in order to match the $525
Not surprising at all here. And SonicsDawg is correct, the team is not worth that in Sacramento so it doesn’t make sense for Burke to spend that money. Coincides with the “rocky” comment from the other day
Funny Sac fans call us dilusional and out of touch, yet everything we’ve been saying is starting to come true
The closer somebody gets to matching the offer, the further they are from it penciling out in Sacramento. Simple math is going on now, can you at least break even every year on revenue and make up the ROI by reselling in 10 years? That’s the bare minimum business model now for the NBA.
How often does the franchise contribute money to the rest of the league (give some at the performance peak, take a little in a valley)? That’s the BOG bottom line.
Here is a great outline of what is being done to ready Key Arena. Also note the plans to make it ready for an NHL team (with the Coyotes in limbo).
http://tinyurl.com/awj83sn
Post in moderation - just signed up, I posted occasionally over at Sonics Central.
Like I’ve said before, these guys aren’t interested in being heroes, they want to make money. If they are being asked to pay more than a team is worth in Sacramento, they’re going to expect to recoup those losses by paying less for an arena.
At $525 million Burkle has to have a fully taxpayer funded arena from the City. Sacto is tapped out. KJ is out of time. There only hope is to convince the BOG that Seattle’s arena will face delays.
What’s more crazy is how they response to a tweet like that. They bash it when it doesn’t bring something good and yet believe it when someone like bruski tweets something.
Which it won’t unless ILWU tries to intentionally screw up the EIS which won’t happen or tries to challenge it again in courts after the EIS is done.
The speculation is that the coyotes are coming here once the Kings sale/reloc is approved.
What is the plan for the block directly in front of the arena and the Mariners parking garage? That block seems ripe for re-purposing as a plaza with underground parking.
It is truly amazing how well Chris Hansen’s strategy has come together. Yesterday didn’t show that Seattle “doesn’t have an arena plan,” as desperate Sactown fans spin it. It shows that Hansen’s ArenaCo has done everything by the book, deliberately and patiently. When Stern was asked, “Can Seattle do anything more to get the NBA back,” he simply answered, “No,” meaning that the process literally could not be going better.
I can understand why Sacto fans and others who haven’t watched this all unfold as closely as we have still think there are doubts or pitfalls remaining in the EIS/SEPA, I-91 suit, ROFR, BOG vote, etc. Those are parts of the process, and they are proceeding smoothly. The league is impressed and satisfied. And it increasingly looks like there may be no competing bid for the Kings at all, but even if there is, the Fat Lady is well warmed up.
Don’t sweat the noise and details. This thing is happening.
And by the time the ILWU could go after the EIS again, we’ll likely be beyond the BOG meeting.
Sac fans/writers are going to abandon every stance they take when it doesn’t pan out and find the next one, it’s natural. They can fight these miniature twitter-based PR battles all day, Hansen and his group are a tidal wave slowly coming closer to shore.
I really can’t wait to watch people like RA Graswich eat his words about our arena.
What kind of bread do you use to make a graswich anyways?
Pardon me. His first inititials are R.E.
I wonder if Levin will be the owner if that scenario plays out?
A possiblity.
Marble rye, Swiss cheese and large cuts of crow
I thought this was kind of funny http://bit.ly/WalgUX
By the way. Our friend Carmichael Dave is predicting KJ’s “State of Sacramento” address will become a spiritual event.
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2013/02/22/latest-nba-arena-design-shows-how.html?page=all
Arena design changes reported.
Also reported in the same story are what is proposed for a couple parcels Hansen owns near the arena.
Sounds good, but one should notice that it’s Ric Bucher we’re talking about.
He’s not the most reliable guy on anything NBA related.
Looks like they made a dramatic change to the main entrance.
Yea that was one of the issues from the previous meeting was the entrance plaza
New one is better and more functional
indeed it is.
The Key has more suites than the Sleep Train Arena.
There is a lot of stuff under the plaza. Two practice courts and all of the team room stuff. It is a lot bigger than it looks.
Yea given how much land they have to work with.
If anyone cares to watch my pain and my love, Maryland is playing Clemson on ESPN2.
You’ll also see why Alex Len needs one more year of college.
And in Sactown, it looks like things are not going smoothly. Burkle and friends want the City to contribute more money to their arena. The City is, of course, ‘tapped out’.
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/02/22/sacramento-city-officials-confirm-investors-seek-more-public-funding-in-kings-deal/
Which team is your pain and which is your love?
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“Essentially we’re going to commit a public investment of $200 to 250 million to build that arena. Again, we know that’s a competitive advantage,” he said. ”
No its not. I kinda wish KJ would stop with the whole competitive advantage.
Only way its a competitive offer is that the total cost of the arena would be same as our or more but we know that is not going to happen.
LOL more from R.E Graswich claiming we have no arena deal.
R.E. Graswich @REGraswich
At least now we know why Sea has been so secretive about arena & purchase details: thin as tissue.
Classic stuff. We are being pretty secretive about our arena details, posting them for the public to see is pretty sneaky. And how dare two private parties keep the terms of their private business deal private?
That guy….
I don’t care if Sac reports news, its the false news that Graswich and Bruski make up. They have opinions and state them as facts. Our “non arena plan” is asinine
Maryland is both. How we all felt about the sonics in the 90s is how I feel every year with these guys.
At least we have a plan that is currenting in an EIS review. They have yet to get passed the finalize the funding of plan nevermind an agreement in principle.
As I like to say… when you assert something that shows such ignorance, you hurt your credibility on related matters. Man, literally every word of that is wrong, unless he knows of them using some eco-friendly super thin paper for the contract.
Exactly! It is much better to have an MOU with the city council, land purchased, an EIS underway and fighting off the NIMBY lawsuits. Sacto isn’t getting any lawsuits because no one is worried it will ever get that far.
Oh, you know California. Start the day with a new arena plan, bang out an EIS before lunch, grab a quick bite, go handle arena litigation after lunch, then take a council vote before everyone goes home. OH NO SACRAMENTO COULD HAVE US FINISHED BY MONDAY!?!
On top of that - the arena is fully financed and there is a purchase and sale agreement with the current owners of the Kings. Sacto is acting like all of that is window dressing and meaningless when those are THE key details in this.
What about a story on James Cotten, Billy Owens and Jelani McCoy…
But actually I would love to read about Steve Scheffler!
bmac said in last thread:
“I just refer to three things Stern said over all star weekend.
1. “It wont be a bidding war”
2. “this wont be decided by the courts”
3. “dont see a scenario where both cities are happy”
how can this not mean anything other than a sale to Hansen will be approved.”
THIS.
I don’t quite understand why a lot of people on here get caught up on Sacto’s reporting. Of course they’re going to spin it their way, they’re trying to keep their team! They’re in the denial stage that it’s even possible. As long as the NBA, the BOG and the owners don’t think like Sacto’s reporters we are fine.
Just caught up on the last couple threads. Hilarious seeing Seafanatic, or should I say Traven/jhande, show his true colors. UW law student, my ass.
I was this close to calling that dude out earlier yesterday when he was pretending to be a concerned law student, fearful of the judge who shut down the gravel pit on Vashon Island. But thought I should give him the benefit of the doubt. Guess I was wrong. The biggest red flag to me was his user name. Calling himself “fanatic” shows it all. Anti-sports folks are always using the term in a derogatory fashion.
Give it up, Traven. You are one of the saddest people I’ve ever come across in my entire time on the internet. You have gone to such ridiculous lengths over the course of months and months. When you’re at the end of your life, you will be able to actually attribute full percentage points to the amount of your life your spent trolling/arguing with sports fans over this arena. I’d tell you to get a life, but it’s clear you do not understand what to do with one.
Oh, and on the small chance it wasn’t him, and instead a Sac fan. Sorry, dude. I feel bad for you. I’ll just leave it at that.
And that Graswich guy, along with people like Bruski really should be ashamed of themselves. I get that they’re desperate to save their team. But continued outright lying about Seattle isn’t going to accomplish what they are hoping it will. All it’s doing is giving their fans a beyond false sense of hope and a horribly ignorant and delusional understanding of the situation. I went against my own advice, and clicked a link to Sactown Royalty. It’s really sad how misinformed they are. I get that this is a willful ignorance. But lying to each other and themselves isn’t going to help them at all. Seriously, Bruski and Graswich are doing nothing but hurting the fans of Sacramento.
You are missing nothing. Spot on. This is exactly the not-so-subtle nuance that Sacramento cheerleaders cannot seem to fathom.
It’s like a crime investigation.. eventually all of the pieces begin to point in one direction.
Kev,
I am still having problems with the Quote feature… occasionally it will quote the wrong person. I think this may have to do with the highlighting feature. Here’s my theory… when you click on the page somewhere (say to reset your cursor position so you can scroll using up and down arrow keys instead of mouse), the highlight feature of the quote mechanism is reading off of the post nearest to wherever you clicked. The highlight feature is overriding the “what post did you reply to ” feature. Does this make sense?
“highlight” = “select text to quote comment”
Makes sense. I’ll work on this.
I thought the speculation was that we would need to wait a few years until Sonics 2.0 is really back in full swing as essentially a “new” franchise in the Seattle area, before we bring on a 2nd new franchise in the form of a hockey team. Seems risky to bring two new markets here at the same time?
It could be, but strike while the iron is hot, right?
One workaround in the meantime is to always quote the text you are trying to quote. :) Or just doublecheck the quotation in your post before you hit “Post Comment”
You could check to see how much text is actually highlighted before you allow the highlight feature to work; only capture highlighting if it’s more than say 4 characters or something. That way a simple “click” on the page wouldn’t mess with the feature.
OR you could only capture highlighting if it comes from the “current post”… if such a thing is possible to determine. Might be harder…. use a full text search / compare or something?
Cheers - great work BTW Kevin. You rock!
Just in the past couple months speculation was on what’s going to happen with the coyotes and a couple were saying if Kings sale is approved to seattle’s group that the coyotes will be moving here next season.
I am conflicted on this too. I don’t know which is the correct path. Prevailing wisdom seems to indicate that an expansion hockey team is far more a real possibility than an expansion NBA team. I do think that there is a real risk to introducing two markets at the same time. So really we are measuring that risk agains the risk that no hockey team will avail itself in the near future if someone else grabs the Coyotes and/or no hockey expansion will occur. It is a tough call to make.
The franchise is available now. The NHL has owned the Coyotes for four years. It isn’t working in Phoenix. That franchise will not be available in two years. The NHL would prefer to keep the Coyotes on the US west coast rather than send them to Canada. It helps with their scheduling. They are losing $20 million per year in Phoenix. It will not be any worse in Seattle the next two years.
especially given the fact that Sonics Arena will not pencil out financially without two major tenants.
I do think both new teams would be better served by not sharing the same year to “debut” in Seattle, but I also know I’d be one of those people that’d be going nuts for both teams either way. I think my reservations are based on my doubts of other Seattle fans, which may or may not be fair.
The part that people seem to miss with regards to Coyotes v. expansion as opposed to Kings v. expansion is that the NBA situation is one where you wind up with a team that requires a major overhaul either way.
The Coyotes, on the other hand, were a few games from playing for the Stanley Cup last year, and their league aided stewardship has ensured a team constructed in a fiscally responsible fashion. To not try to grab a team competing for championships NOW for the CHANCE of expansion later in nuts.
THIS
Marcus Smart stock watch: LOOK OUT BELOW!!
Picks up 3 fouls in a little over TWO minutes to start the game against West Virginia. Strange to see such a reportedly intelligent guy not adjust his aggressive play after picking up 2 quick fouls. Looking forward to see how he reacts in the second half (it’s on ESPN2 if you’re interested).
I agree the Coyotes have a solid group of talent, unlike the kings where I think gutting nearly the entire roster is about the best move at this point.
Headline on STR: Seattle, King County convince judge they do not yet have a Sonics arena deal
Smh, they still think they have the “competitive advantage” lol. Do they not get that both Hansen & THE NBA know that an EIS has to be completed. Neither are worried about it. The NBA can simply approve the sale, and relocation contingent on a successful EIS. But their arena plan is farther along than ours. Tick tock, tick tock Kevin. Solid (iffy) ownership group, and solid (iffy) arena plan by March 1st. Can the BOG’s just vote already?! April please hurry!
It’s why I like Trey Burke a little bit more.
6 days until March 1st, and I have to say I can’t wait until April when all of this stuff is over with.
Dana was sick. One of my favorite Sonics of all time. Such a good shooter. Its also awesome to see a 5’10 guy dunk…….backwards. He was in a tough situation here playing behind Dale Ellis and Ricky Pierce. Once he got a chance he became an all star in Philly.
He was also the best rapper we ever had..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgZuCs-nnMg
Perhaps, but the near-term financial fate of a hockey team relocated to Seattle is only a part of the calculus here. We are talking about building back a long-term, viable fan support for both NBA and NHL here. We really have only 1 chance to do this IMO, let’s not do it wrong.
I am in part arguing this to see what the counter arguments are. I think it’s certainly possible that the “2 new teams at the same time is too much” argument is overblown. I just want to hear what folks think about this issue. :)
This is a good argument. I guess we just have to weigh the risks. I want to hear more from both sides on this one.
Just from a fan point of view, would it not be just insane (in a great way) to have both teams here next year? OMFG.
I see very little downside to trying for an NHL franchise as soon as possible. The NHL won’t be in a position to expand for some time. Meanwhile, the league has owned the Coyotes for 3 years and just saw the Glendale deal fall apart. Playing in the Key for two years isn’t ideal, but if Seattle hesitates on this opportunity it might be many years before another franchise is available.
Seattle is going to be a GREAT hockey town. My guess is that yesterday’s dismissal instills a lot of confidence in Hansen’s deliberate process. I’m sure there are serious discussions ongoing for a potential Seattle ownership group to bid on the Coyotes.
It all depends on what the NHL wants to do.
Can’t argue much with that.
I love Smart as a leader and I LOVE his size, but meltdown games like this one are troubling.
What I’m feeling great about is, between these two guys and Carter-Williams at Syracuse, I feel like there is a great PG to be had in this draft…if, say, a certain team were looking to fill that position.
There is pros and cons of coyotes to Seattle and Coyotes to Quebec city.
Which they should because you can’t win with Isaiah Thomas as the starting PG. he’s a poor mans version of Nate Robinson.
I want this guy on our eventual team because I might need some one to eventually clear some land for me.
You get the franchise when it becomes available. Like someone pointed out … The arena deal is built around 2 tenants and Hansen and his group get more public contribution by securing the NHL. In the Key Arena remodel plan I linked earlier there are numerous line items directly tied to making it ready for the NHL. You don’t do that if you have your eyes on expansion.
As it stands Phoenix is the only likely relocation candidate in the next couple years and if you are the Hansen group (including mystery NHL owner) you get a team while it’s there for the taking. You don’t hang an additioanal $80MM in public funding on a hope the NHL might expand in a few years.
I also agree with the point the NHL would rather keep the Coyotes out west for scheduling and league balance. There is also a thought that if the league does decide to expand they can extract a higher fee from Canadian cities vs. any American market (including Seattle).
Going off some of the mock drafts Ive seen it looks like they have the “kings” taking Muhammad. Ive heard arguments against and while I tend to agree it may not be a bad idea to take him if Smart isnt available (Carter-Williams?). Yeah Muhammad might be one of those 25 ppg on a bad team type guys but we could use him to score points on a porous team for a couple years while we re-load. Then you could use him if you want to go elsewhere at that SF position and trade him for something useful.
I think with all the holes this roster has you have to take best player available and go from there.
I think the ideal situation is to acquire an NHL team and move them the same year the new arena is ready to move into. HOWEVER, if one becomes available and an owner steps up, ya gotta grab it. Never know when the next opportunity will be.
drobnjak’s son?? :)
Wow, the differences are stark between Kings fans and Coyotes fans. The Yotes fans are pretty much resigned to relocation already and some are actually hoping the team goes to Seattle over Quebec City + pledging to still follow and root for them if that happens.
I think a key question mostly comes down to using key arena as temp facility now or wait till new arena opens.
I guess Phil Jackson is off the table…
http://tinyurl.com/aefqa3d
First off we don’t even know what the ownership group will be. We have to assume Mr. Hansen has some people on speed dial or that he and Mr. Levin have been in contact since the whole Bellevue thing happened. That last one is iffy, but if the NHL would approve a move to anyone, he would be the guy. Another thing is that the NHL needs to make money off of ticket sales more than anything. That is not gonna work in the Key unless the ownership is willing to eat some losses. In terms of American cities, the Seattle area has a lot more registered hockey players than any of the non-markets right now with maybe the exception of Milwaukee, so that will help to draw fans. Plus the Canucks are prohibitively expensive for a lot of people so expect to see many visitors from up north. The only thing I would worry about is building up the brand in an untested hockey market (but I think with the minor league teams we can easily have enough ticket purchasing fans)…a successful Coyotes team would do that.
In terms of Quebec, the only real negative is population size but that isn’t really a problem considering the potential owner owns the tv network that will show the games, so he basically sets his own rate on that front.
Okay, that is hilarious.
They have been going through this since 2009 and the team was abysmal for years before. They know they have had their backs against the wall. And they hate Quebec because those fans have been like the OKC fans were only X100.
The issue with quebec does the NHL want back to back relocation to Canada. Two less US teams and two more canadan teams won’t look good when the NBC contract goes up for renewal.
If that were true it’d be the single greatest thing to happen in the history of the world.
The other thing I’ve seen batted around is that IF expansion does happen, the expansion fees paid by the Canadian teams (Quebec, and suburban Toronto) would be much higher than in Seattle
Well, he is an actual Mountaineer, so, he will do some logging with horses in steep terrain for you between shoot around and game time (cash only).
Yea that’s the other suggestion of Seattle via relocation and quebec city/Tor2 expansion
This is the NHL’s “have their cake and eat it too” option. Quebec is a little more “ready” right now, but with regards to the TV deal they have to negotiate soon, Seattle looks better to network execs than either Canadian city. Conversely, when expansion happens soon, the fees fetched from the Canadian groups will be noticeably larger than what a Seattle offer would be.
The TV numbers look even better in hockey because you can sell a de facto Seattle/Portland hockey market.
Okay, that seals it for me. Going to buy some property in Woodinville.
Another side benefit. If Mountaineer dude is really good at clearing land, just imagine his benefit when it comes time to build our arena, which currently exists as a flimsy document.
He’d be excellent at welding steel.
You can’t trust a rugged brute like that to handle our delicate tissue thin MOU. We’d be left with nothing but the confetti of broken dreams.
They would have the entire Northwest, alaska and part of montana with a seattle NHL team.
Taking “confetti of broken dreams”, adding it to my repertoire.
well, the canucks would probably still be a bigger draw around the pnw until a seattle team makes a playoff run and develops a track record
LOL i got into an argument with Art. Good grief.
According to him if Sacramento gets a credible plan of public and private support NBA will vote our signed PSA down.
He is also accusing of stern of lying and that stern is still judge and jury.
I don’t know- people like new things, and as discussed, Phoenix is not an expansion level team- they’ve had a playoff team for several years and seem prepared for an interested, capable owner to build on that success.
An immediately successful hockey franchise will be immediately successful in Seattle, and build the Northwest following quickly. I’d imagine most future fan interests would break along national, state, and provincial borders.
LOL, That explains it!
Carmichael Dave’s source is the Onion.
He’s providing himself an out now that it looks like Sac’s plan won’t be credible enough.
Stern flat out said that the decision would not be up to him.
The binding PSA, ya, go ahead and turn that down for a softer and less developed plan in a smaller and less affluent market.
He spend lots of time talking to the opposition and then acts as if every progressive step is somehow an unbelievable accomplishment.
Good thing for us and him that baseball season is getting near. He can drag his wet blanket down to Arizona.
For you, selective logging to retain soil stability (will split but not stack the wood, and provide chainsaw art bears/eagles/Seahawks/fish jumping out of water)
Bonus, outdoor fire pit “thrown” chairs made from stumps.
Well, I’ve beat that to death, I see he is from Turkey, 6-9, 260. He is a foul machine.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/45966/deniz-kilicli
Victor Oladipo (7º) and Trey Bruke (15º via trade j. thompson) could be a great young backcourt. trade tyreke evans to philadelphia for lavoy allen and will have a team :) sorry for my anxiety. i can´t wait to see the supersonics!!!
LMAO I love ”The Onion” !!
Another thing to consider with all this: Hansen gets $80 million more in public borrowing capacity if a hockey team shows up now. Getting that cash upfront to build as opposed to hoping it shows up later mitigates the losses in KeyArena for the hockey team. While it might not be ideal for an introduction, a Seattle Totems team making playoff runs immediately while the new Sonics come on a bit could work fine for both parties.
Sonics fans are always going to be there. Getting a winning hockey team off the bat would help start things on the right foot for them too.