I think we’ve had a pretty good mix of opinions about whether it is a positive or a negative to have Sacramento opinions in here. I’m doing my best to make the site content reflective of the balance that pleases most people.
Personally over the last couple of days there has just been too much Sacramento presence for me. It has made the conversation less enjoyable and I would like to consider going “Sac Free” for a while and seeing how it feels.
Leave your thoughts here but then go to the game thread. Lets talk hoops as much as possible.
I agree brian. I am really annoyed over the panic over some news that they got a non bidding plan approved with no funding finalized and then todays news with the 7% Then the claim by some local reporter that they have a right to match that 7%. when its not even clear if the they its ROFO or ROFO that was being talked about in the document.
I had enough for now about the whole sacramento playing to win so again i agree with the sac free zone.
It is a very fine line. I would have no problem with Sac posters coming here to make respectful, intelligent, well-reasoned arguments; in fact I kind of appreciate getting a balanced view of the situation. But those posters tend to be drowned out by the “KJ is going to kick your @$$” posters. On the whole, I think it makes sense to screen out Sac posters entirely, especially for these next few highly contentious weeks.
Even the well intentioned ones don’t make it better reading. Our media sources are saying different things. They believe theirs, we believe ours. No amount of restating the positions is going to move anyones opinion and it just gets repetative.
It’s your website, but I don’t like the idea of blocking anyone from Sacramento who tries posting here.
There should be room for reasonable debate and different opinions.
This won’t even get to a vote. In the days after April 3rd, news will come out that it’s a formality the Kings are staying in Sacramento. I assure you, this matter won’t even go to a vote for the BOG on the 18th/19th of April.
#HereWeStayed
Well, there is a reason Sac fans are showing up in greater numbers. It’s not because they want to engage us in an open dialogue, it’s because, for the first time, they feel like they’re ahead. They can now come here and subversively gloat thinking they wont have to eat crow later.
I can’t wait until we never have to see the terms HereWeStay, HereWebuy or whales again. God it’s so old.
perfect example of a useless post. this does nothing to further the conversation or change anyones mind. just totally annoying.
Indeed I don’t trust whats being reported from Sacramento reporters. Can the minority owners match the 15m for the 7%? i don’t know and just cause a Sacramento reporter says they can doesn’t mean its true imo.
I agree while i do not money a civil conversation with sac fans its those annoying posts that makes it hard to have a civil conversation.
mind*
I agree.
Reading the comments have been painful lately with Sac fans (or trolls depending on the poster) trying to take over every discussion.
They have their places to write about their perspective on what is going on. I say keep them out.
Is everyone from Sacramento a total asshat or just the ones on the Internet? I kinda want us to get the Kings just because I’m starting to disdain people in Sactown. I know that’s irrational but I’m so sick of them
Will you be back if that doesn’t happen?
I’m with you there.
Whenever the blood pressure rises or when the next crazy thing comes about……..I take that deep breath and ask myself “What possible reason could the BOG have to deny the sale?”. Then everything is good again.
7%. Arena. Whales.
MOOT
Agree!
I see this type of delusion on STR and KingsFans all the time, but I don’t post there. Now that they’re starting to spread onto this site, I am looking forward to April 19 to see some of their their reactions.
#PurchaseSalesAgreement
haha i have to catch myself sometimes too. im sure 99% of sacramento are great reasonable human beings. the internet presence of their fans is however another story all together.
emotion would be the only reason and the last time i checked multi billion dollar companies don’t make decisions based on emotion. were good.
I don’t see any real benefit. If we want a Kings perspective it’s easy to get at Sacbee or one of their fan blogs.
sac fan here, no trolling lol..bt i read this and laughed because its so true…its amazing if you look at each teams forums/blogs, how opposite the views of the fans are…when every news story or tweet or whatever comes out…and im actually maybe in the minority, bt i see no hypocrisy in seattle fans celebrating getting a team or buying a team from another city.. as the godfather line says “this is the business we’ve chosen” or something like that hah..the only hypocrisy i see is when people criticize our mayor, when im sure seattle would have liked someone like a kj in 2008…whether or not it would have made a difference..bt i jus wanted to say how crazy both sides look..imagine if someone completely out of this ordeal would look at both teams forums/blogs for info , he would be so confused! lol …bt that is why we do this, cus we are crazy for our team and city..so ill leave before sac fans are kicked off this site…good luck in your fight to get the sonics back.. peace
For what it is worth, I think it is too hard to engage in a discussion without having the thread hijacked or interrupted by the Sacramento POV. I think the regular contributors to this forum have done a good job of preventing this from being a place where we just drink the Kool-Aid. If I really cared about what our counterparts at StR were thinking, I would lurk at StR. Truth be told, I am past being interested in that side of the story and would prefer to focus on the dialogue of like minded Seattle fans. Also, would it be too much to ask If we could moderate posts that invoke the name “Bruski”?
So are we not talking Sacramento period or just not Pro-Sacramento promoting their agenda?
If we can’t talk about Sacramento, we should go back to our discussions on fantasizing a Phil Jackson-type team. That had me amped for a bit.
Once again I don’t blame the fans but the NBA for letting this crap go on. What is there motives. They don’t allow Hansen to say anything but we have to listen to the lies of KJ? Something is not right here. Even Kevin C. was down yesterday and he says 50/50. Look the deal is done. Sac will never be the market like Seattle. Only one more week. Brian I will support you if you band Sac people here. This is our blog not there’s. I feel sorry for them.
We’re going to be talking hoops, basketball, draft, free agents, etc. No more what they’re doing. They’ll be playing in Seattle next year and its time to prep. No more whales, no more KJ, no more noise.
I don’t particularly mind Milton Bradley or kings guru. The others just troll too much
On a side note
Brian - I am so proud to have you as a representative of the Sonics fan and community. You are respectful of everyone and you treat everyone fairly until they give you a reason not to.
It’s a shame that the kings have someone like Dave Carmichael representing them. I saw last night as you did make derogatory comments last night at the people speaking at the Sac City Council meeting.
We have done everything we need to do.
So this site is going full-on stay on ‘it’s a done deal’ message? I’ve already spoken to why I think it looks like feigning confidence to stay self-assured when individuals do it, but I think the site as a whole moving in that direction would be a bad move.
I’m all in on not allowing Sac posters to come in and drive the conversation, but to pretend that Sacramento, their efforts, and the upcoming proceedings are irrelevant, that we’ve already won, and it’s time to start talking about the roster looks kind of desperate. Not trying to say anything bad about this site, I love this place, it’s been a sanctuary, I just think this would be an awful direction to go in and would either not work or greatly decrease conversation on this site.
More like… #delusional.
I agree. We can wait 3 weeks. Maybe a lot more general NBA talk and split threads again for sac comments would work. Did for the NCAA
I don’t think this is really bad. ESPN Sonics forum in 2008 was horrible.
Breaking news:
“Seattle arena investor Chris Hansen has negotiated to buy the 7 percent of the Sacramento Kings that is tied up in a California bankruptcy court, increasing his potential stake in the NBA team to 72 percent if his acquisitions are approved.”
http://blog.seattlepi.com/sonics/2013/03/27/report-chris-hansen-buys-7-of-kings-via-bankruptcy-aution/
Agree. Sonics fans still need a place to discuss this issue until it is resolved.
Daggnabbit, moderation…..I’ll post it again.
Breaking News:
“Seattle arena investor Chris Hansen has negotiated to buy the 7 percent of the Sacramento Kings that is tied up in a California bankruptcy court, increasing his potential stake in the NBA team to 72 percent if his acquisitions are approved.”
Seattle Times
Oops, Seattle PI
http://blog.seattlepi.com/sonics/2013/03/27/report-chris-hansen-buys-7-of-kings-via-bankruptcy-aution/
Oops, I meant Seattle PI
Well, since that is not somewhere that I care to go into until 4/19, I may be seeing you guys later. I will keep up on the news of what is happening on the Sacramento blogs, I guess.
I am a longtime Kings fan but used to live in Sedro Woolley. I understand both sides of the issue. I was not happy when the Sonics were stolen from Seattle. I think the NBA made a mistake then and I think the NBA is making a mistake now. The only fair situation is for both cities to have teams. Of course I am not 5 and I no longer beleive in Santa. Reading this site and Kingsfans actually helps me understand and appreciate both points of views. There are asshats in both cities no doubt. But I think what is happening here is more about human nature than anything else. Most want to be optimistic and look for facts to strengthen their position and minimize facts that might go opposite of our opinions. It should not be two cities fighting against each other but I wonder how in the hell the NBA has gotten to the point where they can hold two great cities hostage.
Ultimately if the Kings stay in Sacramento I feel Seattle was robbed by the NBA, and likewise if the Kings move to Seattle. Sacramento who has done everything asked of it over the years and a city who has put up with the team becoming a laughing stock because the owners could not afford a team will be screwed over. Two wrongs don’t make a right but screwing Seattle twice isn’t right either. I just hope whatever city wins that they are compassionate enough to understand the pain the other city is feeling
“Hansen has negotiated to purchase a 7 percent stake in the Kings that was held by minority owner Bob Cook for $15.1 million”
You know i wonder if its in the works by hansen to buy the remaining 18% of the team. If Hansen has acquired 100% of the team why would NBA say no to that?
As Seattle sports fans we should know better to be so confident. None of us really know anything still. We are confident and know what we want…….but who really knows.
Im thinking about taking a hiatus from coming to the site for 3 weeks. It really ends up being the same repeating arguments every single day.
I mean we have done everything we can and there really isnt anything that can change that in the next 3 weeks. Its been a very long rollercoaster ride. No reason to throw my back out on the end stretch. I love our chances. See you all in 3 weeks.
I hope this further persuades the BOG
He’s stated he wants that. Kehriots- or whatever, owns 12%? I know there is one more….
In other news, “We landed on the moon!”
Are you reporting this as breaking news or are you a member of the family that owns the Seattle Times?
Haha, I’ve been at work all day and didn’t see it posted anywhere. My bad.
So we REALLY DID land on the moon?
I don’t think anyone is saying we won’t discuss pertinent news. Just that what Sacramento does won’t drive the conversation around here nearly as much.
I can’t recall what the breakdown % of ownership for the team.
StR has gone ‘Sonic free’ and banned everyone that sounds like a Seattle poster. As a result there is no meaningful dialogue on their site. Out of boredom as much as anything else, they now migrate here to engage in dialogue, trolling or whatever. We can all see they are in total spin mode on StR. Their posters know it, too.
I see the increase in Sac, or troll, commentary as a sign that their confidence is beginning to erode. This 7% acquisition was kick to the nugget pouch.
I just don’t have any interest in the draft, free agents , etc., for a team that is not 100% in Seattle. That is just too much wishing and hoping. Been there, done that. Doesn’t work for me.
I don’t see the 7% meaning much for either side really.
That’s what is kind of driving a few of us nuts. We don’t need to beat every little piece of news into the ground and over analyze and over elate every detail. We are still going to be covering pertinent news, but Sacramento is no longer driving the conversation. Our site, our voice, Seattle’s voice. That is all we are saying.
That’s fine since they played their cards now
As actual news happens, I’m sure we will cover it. Also, just because the topic of a thread is about one thing doesn’t mean you can’t discuss current events. I know this because current events ALWAYS creep into the discussion.
I think what Brian is getting at in this thread is that we don’t want the constant back and forth with SacTown posters that come here.
Another thought-how do we know that Chris Hansen isn’t already a minority owner?
I do recall hearing last summer from someone (an ACTUAL NBA source) that Hansen was planning to or had already bought out a minority investor in the Kings. He has been several steps ahead of everyone so it seems plausible.
Something for you to think about ;
Seattle group bought 7% in bankruptcy court.
Seattle now owns 72% of your soon to be Sonics.
Seattle 12th largest market vs Sacramento 20th.
Seattle TV contract $60 million per season. Sacramento TV contract $14 million
Seattle has 8 fortune 500 companies base in the city. Sacramento 0
Sacramento primarily governmental jobs, unemployment rate 11.5%
City pledge for the new arena $ 258 million Private investors pledge $ 190 million.
Private investors are the new Robin Hood steal from the poor, and gives to the rich. The wealthy gets wealthier and Sacramento gets drained.
Seattle average income per household, $ 54,000.00 per year.
Sacramento average income per household $ 32,000.00 per year.
Should i say more ?
April 19th Welcome back Seattle Supersonics.
Sacramento here we gone………………………………… adios muchacho .
Confidence wise I think it shows Hansen is doing more behind the scenes than they care to admit. Time will show how it helps his overall effort to acquire the team.
Not to change the subject, but did anyone hear the Sac reporter on 1090 a little bit ago? I only caught part of it, but he hinted that there are more than eight owners planning on voting against Hansen. He said he didn’t want to discuss it on the record, but has been told by some insiders from other teams in the league that they have the necessary votes to block a sale to Hansen/Balmer. Ugh.
They banned me for nothing but being pro seattle, so I see it only fitting to ban them. Ban aways I say. WOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTT! BANHAMMER! lol I don’t care really, but it is nice to have all pro seattle when good news does come, which seems to be few and far between.
You need to get a better commenting system, because this one-by-one-by-one with 200+ replies isn’t working
That is BULL.
I do not buy that the sac reporter KNOWS how many owners are voting against the sale.
Smells like bullshit.
I agree somewhat but it was an opportunity to show the BOG how serious the commitment to ownership could be. Can you imagine the trumpeting coming out of Sac if their group had won the bid? Seems like they missed a golden opportunity to grab a little leverage before 4/3 and demonstrate to the BOG that their ownership group was serious about the team. I mean, they didn’t even submit a bid.
Instead Hansen took it.
it is how do any of the owners no what exactly is the complete offer for either groups.
I agree that Hansen is doing everything possible behind the scenes to make the best deal he can to show to the BOG, and buying the 7% certainly doesn’t do anything to hurt that.
I just don’t think it has anything to do with the the increase in Sacramento posters here. I think it’s because they feel more confident if anything, whether they should or not.
Gotta love the “off record” on record info drop.
Not willing to go on the record means a lie just about every time.
Yeah, I don’t see any leaks like that happening until after the 3rd.
Yep, they don’t even have the info yet. But maybe CMD is working that tour…..
To go along with not posting what Burski says can we also not post on what some Sacramento reporter says either unless its actually credible. I mean non of oh such and such sac reporter says on some radio station that the NBA will vote against Hansen etc stuff that is obviously BS.
Remember just cause its coming from Sacramento doesn’t mean its accurate.
And the quarter million dollar fines that would be flying around if the league found out they were talking to reporters. They aren’t stupid. They aren’t Clayton Ike Bennett.
What’s up with the avatars here? lol, they’re so random, and seem like they’re kids drawings. Christmas trees with crab legs??? lol. None are symmetrical either. Just crazy, like an acid trip.
Hey, it’s your neighborhood, and you should run it as you see fit. Both S-R and StR are blessed with passionate fans, and unfortunately this has caused some of that passion to turn to vitriol, and be directed at both sides. I’m a long time Sacramento resident- arrived in town about the time the Kings did, so may I offer this perspective (and feel free to ignore it or disagree).
The root of this challenge to keep or lose the Kings is not with S-R, or with Chris Hansen and group, but it starts and ends with MSE (that’s the Maloof’s company, and the majority owner). The city government has been a willing partner over the years- sometimes more willing, sometimes less. The loan provided to a previous ownership group, funded through the city’s bond obligation, is proof of the commitment they were willing to make. Other arena deals came and went, and in at least two of those- one where two ballot measures were under consideration to finance an arena, and the second most recent effort- and both of these were badly undercut by the Maloofs, after agreeing to them in the first place. Furthermore, despite years of sellouts and strong fan support, MSE has not had the financial depth to put a good team on the court. They had lightning in a bottle with Vlade and C-Webb, but those days and teams are long gone. The fanbase here is the same as in Seattle- they’re passionate and loyal, but nobody appreciates an ownership group that quits on the fans- and that’s what happened here.
Until the Maloofs agreed to sell to Hansen, they furiously denied that the team was for sale. There wasn’t even an option for a local group to come together to make an offer- and that’s why the current efforts appear to be so late in the game.
The NBA BoG will have the final say, and none of us can say with certainty what that say will be- but the Sacramento Kings community has been playing catch-up, at a furious rate, and so far, has done everything asked of them by the NBA. The ratification of the new arena term sheet, last night, was the ELEVENTH arena related measure taken up by the City Council- and every one has passed- so the support of the city government has never been stronger, and in my opinion, this would have fallen of the rails at some point, if not for the mayor. He has been focused, he has been a facilitator for change, and he’s determined. None of that assures a win, but we appreciate the leadership.
I’m hopeful that the BoG votes in our favor, if only because I believe the arena construction and investment will be an incredible shot in the arm for an area of downtown that has struggled to reinvent itself over the years. Downtown Plaza, when I moved here, was a concrete, outdoor shopping mall. Westfield development remodeled it, and then abandoned it. The lower end of K street, which was the main retail district in the 40′s and 50′s, has been on life support. This can all change, but without the Kings as a tenant, the arena doesn’t get built.
The only real benefit from either side winning out is that the Maloofs will finally be out of the picture. No community- not Sacramento, nor Seattle, deserves them.
None of us know what will happen in the next few weeks. We’re optimistic that we’ve at least made it a tough decision for the BoG. Good luck to you guys, and good luck to us. Like all sporting events, we won’t know the outcome until the end.
I like the default avatars.
Well, he was on a Seattle radio station and I didn’t catch the beginning or end of the conversation. I was hoping someone heard the rest of it and might have a bit more information on what he said. I didn’t even catch who the Sac guy was…Nick something, I think. Anyway, he was on with Sandmeyer and I just stumbled upon it. Sorry if this isn’t welcome information. I thought it was interesting. Dude sounded annoyingly confident about their chances.
I agree STR has banned any Seattle commentary, CMD said today he will block any Seattle tweets until after April 3rd, Sonics Rising should do the same!
He has no idea where the hell the owners are leaning. NO ones knows and try to claim there are 8 NO’s when NO ONE has actually made their pitches yet. Its BS to claim that there are more than 8 no’s.
Its this type of stuff and the panic from such stuff i can’t not stand on here.
+1
the NBA BOG will not vote to where they will screw themsleves in the future. Guess what voting against Hansen does screw themselves in the future.
When it comes to the Sac media, “insiders” and sources” almost always means Sacramento City Hall. To that end, the nature in which their media has been in absolute lockstep with the KJ narrative is disturbing. They all sound like paid, vested salesman. When this all goes down, there might be some people questioning this.
Original, We’ll still talk current affairs, basketball etc.. but we don’t need to hear Sactowns side of things!
Money on March 27, 2025 at 5:17 pm said:
• Amador Stage Lines • AT&T • Bell Brothers Heating and Air Conditioning • Buzz Oates Group of Companies • Comcast • DBI Beverage Sacramento • El Dorado Hills Town Center • Gorban Realty • Hensel Phelps • Iron Mechanical/Ayden Group • Jiffy Lube • Markstein Beverage Company • McClellan Park • McDonald’s • o1 Communications • Pizza Guys • Subway • SureWest/CCI • The Sleep Train, Inc. • U.S. Bank • VSP Global • Western Health Advantage • Zoom Imaging Solutions, Inc.
LOL at this mess of corporate sponsors. The only reason why the NBA stays in SAC is to play the role of slum lords.
How does that stack up against Microsoft, Boeing, Starbucks, Amazon, Expedia, Costco, Weyerhauser, Alaska air, Nordstroms and Paccar?
Oh, lets not forget about Google, Facebook, Zynga, Salesforce and the countless other tech companies who have opened shop here in the last few years.
I am very confident in our presentation we will not be pimping Dominos Pizza, Burger King, and Quiznos as our secret corporate sponsors.
I figured the default avatars were made ugly on purpose to encourage users to upload/create their own avatars, lest they be stuck with their ugly-looking default. But you’re right, they kind of grow on you.
And the NBA must be pissed off at the non stop blabbering of the SAC media. We are under a gag order on this side, but they are running their mouths and quite frankly making the NBA look ridiculous with each statement that they make down there.
The last thing the NBA wants to do is appear biased. But the SAC media is making a huge mistake by parading out false quotes from league sources. Keep it up guys, keep putting words in Sterns mouth and lets see how far that gets you.
Exactly that’s why I think we should not post it unless its something credible news worthy coming out of sacramento.
and you believed it ?
I guess the owners don’t want the $ 75 million relocation fee
divided by 32 per team.
In Seattle they won’t be the recipient of revenue sharing.
Seattle’s market alone can hold their own.
In Sacramento they will be the recipient of revenue sharing every year.
Do you really think that the owners will turn down money in their
pockets because they are so in love with the Sacramento market.
If that we’re the case those owners are in the wrong business
Silly goose.
Guess everyone called it a day. Think I am too.
It is mildly hilarious how SAC claims to have done everything the NBA asked of them. Have they really? If so, then why are we in this mess? If they have been so squeeky clean they would have an arena by now. This has been a decade long crusade for an Arena down there, and the time has run out of the NBA’s generosity.
No Arena. Ive been the Sleep Train and it downright awful. The Key Arena ran circles around that place. Amazing how we have an arena issue, when we clearly do not compared to that shit hole.
I don’t believe that there that there are 8+ owners already against the sale.
I mean seriously if there were already 8+ owners against it then why is Stern allowing this to go this far if its already over that NBA will not approve sale to Hansen.
Don’t know what you mean…are you sure it’s not you…HAHA
So, for the record and all, you know…
Hansen - Paid a record price for the 65% share.
Sacto - Had their offer come in a month later and $125mill lower.
Hansen - Bought the 7% share in bankruptcy for $15.1mill.
Sacto - Couldn’t even find someone to bid in time.
I sense a theme here. Sacto hasn’t had the time or money.
And 2008 was living proof that money makes this league go around.
In Hansen we trust. :-)
Well, in clays defense, that was Aubrey McClendon who got the $250,000. Clay’s stupid, but Aubrey’s on a different level.
Looks like the Seattle Times has their pay wall up now.
Before the arena plan went through, naysayers planted seeds into the heads of skeptics. Meanwhile, Hansen kept his head down and bought up pieces of land. Now we have an arena pending.
Before the sale of this team is certified, naysayers try to plant similar seeds. Hansen keeps his head down and buys pieces of the basketball team. The end result will be the same.
Considering that they’ll all be muzzled, just like Hansen.
No way you could get the informed opinion of at least eight of them.
And let’s face it, it’s becoming pretty obvious which city is going to bump the valuation of their franchises up more - our offer is about 30-40% larger, our RSN will produce 4-5 times more value. Etc. Etc.
It’s just starting to get embarrassing for Sacto financially.
Wow! Over 100 comments regarding comments!
I guess most of us don’t care to watch the games on tv, and comment. I’m watching the end of montreal and boston nhl game. I’d probably be shunned for talking about it.
Honestly, I just stopped watching or caring about the nba after the sonics left.
You’d be fine. Hockey will be here too. :)
Wow, boston just tied it up with 8 seconds left. Going to ot.
So do i and i mention before my interest in seeing the sonics back is that we get hockey.
8+ owners willing to vote against there best interest for an incomplete jumbled plan and group in Sacramento and jolting the same city twice….yeah, that makes sense.
Okay, I’ve meticulously followed the lifetime boycott of Star*ucks ever since the Sonics left. I did break it just once, a couple of months ago when I was out of town and needed to get a WiFi connection. Bought a pastry at a nearby Star*ucks but the connection was so slow or overloaded that I couldn’t connect, so that visit turned out to be useless.
But with the Supreme Court hearing the case against California’s gay marriage ban, this strong reply by Schultz to a shareholder’s complaint about Star*ucks’ stance in favor of gay marriage is relevant to the ongoing headlines. I’m still boycotting Star*ucks forever, but it’s a heck of a reply, and not the sort of thing you usually hear from a corporate head.
http://www.businessinsider.com/starbucks-ceo-howard-schultz-slams-anti-gay-marriage-shareholder-2013-3#comments
Shootout!
It is going to take some time for me to repair my relationship with the NBA. I have been a fan since ’88 when I was just a little kid, but I will need some time to figure out how to forgive the NBA for handing Kevin Durant and Sam Presti to OKC. I don’t mind that this team will be bad - I enjoyed the mediocre Vin Baker-led Sonics in the late ’90s, for the love of it all - but I don’t know how I’ll feel about this new team. They aren’t the same team we lost, after all.
I have got here from “Never watching the NBA again unless they give us the team marooned in OKC back,” so it’ll just take a bit more time.
Funny how a 5-5 game with the goalies letting everything in, all the sudden, no one can score in the shoot out. 7 tries a piece so far.
Finally canadiens win.
What’s with people in bankruptcy trying to buy things Chris Hansen already has an agreement to purchase? First the city of Sacramento…now Bob Cook?!
Lol 10/10
I heard that guy on the radio with Sandmeyer on my way home from work. Don’t remember his name, but he lost credibility with me when he tried selling Ranadive as the gateway to India. The rest of what he said sounded straight out of the KJ Bruski playbook.
Frankly I don’t know how Sonics fans on this blog can be asked to avoid SacTown Royalty and other Kings fans sites and then be asked to indulge the Kings fans here. Can’t really have it both ways.
Any truth to the rumor that Don Draper is going to present to the blog on behalf to Chris Hanson?
I kinda like my Avatar at this point. Grew on me - I guess.
Sac Fan posters - - - the respectful ones have actually educated me on the City of Sac and some of history of what’s happened down there. No, I don’t like the stupid or taunting comments. As I have said - I don’t like our nasty, sarcastic and ridiculing comments about Sac fans, Sac leadership, the City, and their media. I don’t like it from either side. For me - - it’s like 13yr old immature posturing. I just read thru those posts quickly and not respond. Even our own.
Don Draper? Hansen will be there.
See, your avatar is one of the strangest. lol, it’s like a spin top toy, complete with the handle you push down at the top, has chicken feet, ribbon for arms, and volleyballs for eyes. lol, psychedelic.
I’m all for keeping the Kings fans out. They’re not going to convince us of anything and vice versa. I go here to read a discussion of what’s going on from a Sonics fan perspective not protracted arguments with Sac fans. Whether they’re educated and polite or trolls its just annoying.
I call my avatar “Burkle Before Morning Coffee.”
Don Draper is from Mad Men…attempt at humor….
Bob Cook telling Fox 40 sactown that although he just lost his shares in BK he intends to buy them back from Chris Hansen and become part of new sactown ownerdhip group!!! Unbelievable delusion!!!
Brian, this is a party that you are throwing. And many of us love the party and find joy and comfort here. But as the host you have the right to toss out anyone you want. Oh and you’re out of bean dip.
he owes his creditors $40-$50milion. If he has $15mil sitting around its going to wind up back for auction. That’s ridiculous. And I’m not a bankruptcy lawyer, but aren’t his shares seized anyway so technically he’s not an owner, so therefore not ROFO?
Game Threads - - - just not ready to become emotionally invested yet even tho I think I’m much more confident than many posting here.
As I’ve been since the PSA was announced, there’s just no rationale to reject the Hansen/Ballmer PSA for so many reasons dissected here. Have we forgotten Woj’s comment regarding Stern guiding Hansen/Ballmer to purchase the Kings from the MaGoof’s? This is a business. This is a business decision.
I admire and applaud Sac’s efforts. They get their Arena done and they will be added to the list of Cities vying for the next available team.
Meh. I would allow them to post but keep an eye on them for trolling. We can be better than they are (it’s not that hard at this point!). The fact that STR won’t allow Sonics fans on the site (I registered there a couple months ago but haven’t bothered to go on TBH because it just doesn’t strike me as a good time) speaks more to the desperation of their fanbase than this being a good way to run a site, I think.
As far as the overall Sonics thing, I still think the BoG approves this for one simple reason: the NBA doesn’t actually have the means to prevent a team from relocating. They say they do, but they don’t thanks to the Antitrust Act. The last thing the NBA wants to do is see whether or not they actually do have a baseball-sized antitrust exemption in the courts. At the absolute least, the NBA has to make sure it hands Hansen/Ballmer a consolation prize because if they don’t do so, there will be a lawsuit and the NBA will lose it. And in the meantime, the team formerly known as the Kings will be playing in Seattle (well, there could be an injunction against that).
I really think Stern cast this “counter offer” as a means for Sacramento to hang themselves so he could go back and say that the NBA did everything in its power to keep the team in Sacramento. At this point, they can still do so and still award the team to the Seattle group, given that the Sacramento team has a. like 5 jillion owners in it now (the last thing the NBA wants is a team run by committee) (well, next to public ownership) and b. a hastily created arena offer that falls apart if you squint at it.
I wouldn’t call anything a done deal but this is, by and large, a hugely missed opportunity for Sacramento. Had they managed to get the original, smaller ownership group to pony up the requisite cash, and had they managed to put together an arena proposal which didn’t so obviously break the city’s own stipulations against increasing taxpayer burden, things would be a lot closer. As it is, their plan gives the NBA an out.
WTF, although i don’t have the money i intend to buy the LA Lakers and relocate to Seattle! I’m now smoking some of the same stuff Mr Cook is smoking!
Haha! What’s he going to buy it with? His massive head swell?
Touche. Touche.
Trippy, ballmer just made the night news by apparently owning property where there was a large landslide on whidbey island.
Okay, let me start off that I am a Sacramento Kings fan, but my intentions are not to start any unnecessary drama on your site. I am an avid reader of Sactown Royalty, but I also read this site nearly every day to understand the opposing side’s perception of this circus. I just feel like I should try to explain something: This should not be a fight between 2 great NBA cities and fan bases. There are always going to be trolls who act inappropriately, but you should not let those people represent our fans as we don’t let the trolls that come gloat on STR represent your fan base. All of us should be more understanding during this whole battle. We should understand that our guys were devastated when you lost your team and are extremely excited about gaining a team back. You guys should understand that this team is the only team we have in town so we are very emotional about the possibility of losing it and are going to try everything we can to keep the team. I was sympathetic when you guys lost your Sonics, and I cheered on your attempts when you guys fought for your team, but it is not right to hate on us for holding on to any glimmer of hope and fighting for our team. The truth is that none of us know what truly is going to happen, unless we are members of the BOG, so all these chess moves made by each side are going to be interpreted differently. Everyone should be allowed to interpret things their own way without being attacked and disrespected.
lol
Not sure. They seem to live in a world I am unfamiliar with.
Hey Brian, what do you think about this idea ?
Since there have been a lot of PR promotions in Sacramento,
most especially from Carmichael Dave, driving around in his RV
and trying to garner sympathy votes, and getting publicity for Sac town.
I thought about writing a letter to the commissioner, and the owners voting
April 19th.
Just a simple statement, stating our love and passion for the Sonics.
and it’s rightful return to the Pacific Northwest.
There are thousands and thousands of basketball fans in Seattle, who loves the
Seahawks, Mariners, Sounders, Storm. but is strictly basketball fan and
can’t wait for the return of the Sonics.
The resent Sonics priority ticket wait lists success is a clear indication that the
absence of basketball in Seattle, reignited the passion of our fans towards the
sports that we all love.
Just imagine the rivalries developing in the future between Seattle, OKC, Portland.
There is nowhere in sports where there is three teams hating each other with passion, think about the drama surrounding those teams and the TV ratings it
would generate for the NBA.
Seattle’s 41 year legacy in the NBA needs a fresh start right here and now
with the return of our beloved championship team.
Of course I will need to re-write a few things here and there. I feel that a letter
is more heartfelt, and better than a grown man driving around in his mothers RV
trying to brainwash healthy minds.
We’ll see, if we could re-ignite our fans on Facebook, twitter, e-mails,or via Sonics Arena, and take an hour of out time to write the letter to the commissioner, and owners.
We still have time, if we act now. Lets help Chris out to lock this deal shut,
so on April 3rd during presentation we would have more ammunition .
The power of the pen.
I have to say I support the ban on Sac posters. Very few of them that I’ve come across actually want to have a reasonable and civil discussion. It seems like most of them are just internet warriors wanting to pick fights with anything related to Seattle.
What?
I am not going to write a letter begging David Stern. There’s only so much self-abasement I will endure to get the NBA back.
Old but very cool tweet I just ran across.
ArenaSolution.org @ArenaSolution 24 Mar
@SpencerHawes00 came to the #SaveOurSonics rally. Only guy in the league to do it! Never forget that Sonics and Seattle fans!
About the supposed 8 “no” votes . . . that is something that has been floating around on Sacramento websites from almost the first day. They are expecting the owners of teams in smaller communities (including OKC) to vote against the Hansen group. It is nothing more than that. I think one website came up with at least 10 “no” votes. No one actually has spoken to these owners, but supposedly they aren’t going to want to go with a team that will add value to their team in some poeple’s estimation.
This posted right after I argued against blocking Sacramento people on this site. Serves me right.
I’m coming around on the idea of a ban, too.
While there have been some reasonable posters from Sacto, I think they’d probably understand a ban should we choose to implement one.
I tend to think that the fact we’ve held off far longer than STR is a sign of relative classiness, anyway.
Well, it was on the nightly news with brian williams, and shown a picture of ballmer, and stated he owned a bunch of property there on whidbey island that was involved in the landslide. Guess it is rich summer homes and property where it happened. Just thought it was odd, that popping up while posting here on his behalf.
I am fine with them until they try to start a fight. Then I am all for a ban for that particular poster.
I’m another of the hockey fans around here. I want the Sonics back too, badly, but after they left hockey filled the void for me. Just don’t know what I’m going to do with my beloved St. Louis Blues if we get a hockey team. I guess I’ll be a hockey bigamist.
So meta
I’m a little annoyed the major sports networks are reporting that Sacramento has a deal, not that Hansen bought more shares or that Seattle has had an arena for longer and is further along on said arena.
It’s a business decision. I don’t even think the Priority Waitlist numbers will matter to the BOG. It’s nice fluff — but it’s noise when it comes to their decision. The decision will be made by businessmen with counsel from their top attorney’s & accountants. Sorry, a fan letter writing campaign is Noise to the NBA. They already know both Cities have equally loyal and strong fan bases.
This is a sonics site, so unless you’re a sonics ban I say ban them.
#HereWePaid
They are usually a bit behind. Especially if something is happening to some east coast team . . . like the Heat.
He’ll look good in green & gold.
Umm nate robinson was there too?!
My favorite part of arguments with Sac fans are when they tell me that they are a 1 sport market Then I brag about how great the Hawks are, and then they start telling me about how their 49ers are better or whatever professional bay area team they feel like using. Ive even heard tthe, speak to the great time they have at the games or how they are better than the M’s or Hawks. I just laugh at the irony of that argument when they make it. It doesnt happen with all that I have encountered but a decent amount
Go home, Bob Cook. You’re drunk.
Really,
Gateway to India ?
India with all due respect is
a third world country
Have you see slump dog
millionaire…………………
Seattle on the other hand is
the Gateway to china, which
is more credible.
If you read the purchase agreement for the 7% in bankruptcy it clearly says that the only minority owners that have any ROFR or ROFO are the ones not selling the 7%.
Therefore, no matter how crazy Bob Cook is, even if the minor investors in Sacramento were to give him the $15MM, he can’t buy the 7%.
Luchetti, Benevenutti, and Kehriotis on the other hand can. Not saying they will, or that if they did the Maloofs wouldn’t just match, but those are the people who can actually affect this. Not sure what Bob Cook’s deal is, but he’s done with this AFAICT.
Yeah but they’ve been putting the Sac arena on the ticker below the Heat game. I didn’t see anything Seattle wise since the deal was announced, but I could be wrong.
I find this really funny too. It appears that they fit nicely into the Bay Area television market.
I live in SF now and tomorrow I’m going to a Giants/A’s preseason game with… all Sacramento people. None of whom care that the Kings are leaving, all of whom live and die with the Giants.
Not saying that means anything with regards to the love Sacramento has for the Kings, but it’s a Bay Area sports town except for the Warriors.
Imagine if Cook did get the money from the 20 some odd millionaires and the judge said no but guess what that 20 million will help to satisfy the lenders that you owe. Then Cook would screw over all those local owners.
I know that wouldnt happen but I would laugh because I pretty much despise everything Sacramento at this point for the way they have gone about their business. At least anybody down their directly involved with Mayor Johnson
Since discovering this site (yay!) I’ve started watching NBA games again, and I can feel myself falling back in love with basketball and reliving all my cherished Super Sonics memories. So much fun, so much heartache! I can’t wait to listen to Kevin Calabro calling Sonic games again. I’m pretty sure I’m going to cry.
It’s hard to read some of the comments from the Sacramento folks, but I understand it. I think giving them their space here to say what they want is OK, but soon enough it will be time to move on. When we have concrete confirmation of the sale and relocation of the Kings to Seattle, then it’s time to just revel in basketball. Until then I’m afraid these homer conversations are going to happen over and over again. I don’t mind it, being a bit of a Seattle homer. :-)
I am a 49ers fan and a Kings fan. While I love both teams, there is something special about having a team represent your home town. I think that if Seattle never had a basketball team, most of you would be Blazers fans because they are the closest team to you and you were never given a choice to like a team that represents your hometown, only your region. That’s how it is for football fans in our area haha
hahahaha! PLEASE GOD make this the offer counter offer for the 15% that kj was alluding to… do they not understand that much of the BOG review process is reviewing the financial security of the investors.
does bob cook really think the nba would allow him to bid on ownership when he’s $50 million in debt??
this is weird.
Off-topic, but how the heck does one go about changing an avatar? I’d like to change mine to something more…Scheffler-y.
Exactly, I know full well I have my uncle and aunt plus 4 cousins that live in Sacramento and multiple family members that live nearby and they like the Kings to an extent. they’ll tune in but they are football and baseball fans. My uncle really hates how the city sold out so quick and blames KJ for not anticipating the Maloofs were going to do this at somepoint and have everything already there behind the scenes with investors and the arena
I’m among the few Sonics fans not banned on StR (yet). I just don’t post there because there is nothing to be gained from it. I look at the ledger sheet, I see the balance, and I know what matters. It isn’t guys driving around like Cousin Eddie in an RV. It isn’t grandstanding in the media. It is money on the table. That’s what matters at the end of the day to the NBA. Cash money honey. Anything else is just window dressing.
This just in: Bob Cook will be financing the match on his 7% share bankruptcy auction using revenue from renting out his driveway for public parking.
BTW - some really great commentary from Sacramento fans in this thread. If we could get this all the time I would not be having this conversation.
I agree with the sentiment above that it is just human nature. Both sides feel strongly and it is just difficult to have a conversation that does not wind up being somewhat confrontational. The fact that most really consciencious posters have a tendancy to not post in the other sides forum and a large majority of those that do post are the people that “don’t see anything wrong with telling the other side where they are wrong” leads to the conversation being mostly unproductive and frankly less fun.
I’m here for fun, productive conversation.
Why exactly do you despise us? I am not trying to start an argument, just want to understand your hatred towards us.
Another hockey fan here too and like you I started getting really hooked on Hockey after the Sonics left. I’m not a St. Louis Blues fan though, I like the Canucks.
I’m just saying?
Why did Chris,
encourage us to
sign up ?
I think you are missing
the point.
The Idea for the priority
list was to arm CH with
more ammunition to
bring for the BOG
presentation on April 3rd.
New thread is up, please migrate there - https://www.sonicsrising.com/geez-so-we-need-one-more/
Love hockey and am excited about the possibilities of the NHL in Seattle after all these years. Its the type of sport the city will thrive on - fast and lots of hitting.
And Bob Cook is quickly becoming my favorite character in this novel.
Thank Brian. You are right. Sports are supposed to be fun. This whole process doesn’t qualify as the fun side of sports. In fact quite the opposite, but the fact that we are all here clearly shows how much we care and enjoy the fun that we have been deprived of for too long. I can’t wait for this to be over, and I can’t wait to go to the Key again!
Heh. I just got this e-mail (I assume I’m on their list because I signed their petition a while back):
Signers,
We wanted to let you know that things are going well in Sacramento! As you may have heard, the Sacramento City Council passed the arena term sheet last night with a 7-2 vote. The next stop is the April 3 meeting in New York City between Mayor Kevin Johnson and the NBA. We are writing because we would like you to pledge your support for season tickets in a new arena under new ownership at http://www.herewebuy.org. We are aiming to hit 10,000 pledges by that April 3 meeting to show the league how serious this market is about keeping its team. Although you are not bound by anything but your word by pledging on herewebuy.org, upon completion of any future arena deal, you may be contacted to reserve your seats to be a witness to the new era of professional basketball in Sacramento. If you are out of town and are unable to purchase season tickets for Kings games, you can help by simply spreading the word about herewebuy.org. If you live in the region and cannot afford season tickets, maybe get together with a group of friends and/or family to pledge.
Thank you for the support. We’re #PlayingToWin!
-Here We Stay
Soon to be a Warriors town as well. Might take a few years, tho.
Obviously you didnt read my last sentence. Im speaking more towards KJ and his cronies. IMO if you guys have made a bid that is worthy of being competitive with Hansen then Stern would give the same gag order to your side. Anyways I just think the few low blow backhanded things that KJ, as a mayor and public figure, is despicable. That is MY OPINION and in no way should be construed as what the moderators or site designers believe. Its not like I despise you either. I used to live in Sacramento so I do respect some of the people. Its just alot of y’all, since the beginning, have considered yourselves better than Seattle fans. I just think that you dont want us on STR whatsoever unless its Seattle people that fit your agenda so dont come here. It also slows the vitriol which is boiling right now and probably going to get worse
You should request to be taken off said list. At least I would. I love how they have that list and THEY HAVE A TEAM. Plus they are so confident that the Maloofs are done as owners so why not commit to actual season tickets?
Just wondering, what backhanded things did KJ say that offended you? I’m not putting your opinion to every Sonics fan, but I honestly see a lot of hatred from Sonics fans towards our city and fans, and I don’t necessarily understand it. We aren’t better than you as fans, and you guys aren’t better than us as fans. I just don’t think this should be a fight between two great NBA fans and cities. I understand the emotions are high on both sides, but we should still be able to have reasonable discussions haha.
I personally wouldn’t have wanted KJ as Mayor here. He’s a tool & I’ve also heard & read about some shady dealings & things in his past that leave a lot to be desired. Sorry, I’d stick with our guy McGinn for what it’s worth.
I didn’t read the thread but am generally against excluding an entire group of people. By doing this you would become just like Sacown Royalty in banning opinions and posters who do not fit the consensus.