So this is about as close to reporting you are going to get from this site. I was originally going to run a Rockets-Warriors game thread, but based off what is being said by David Stern tonight this needs its own column and own place to permeate.
NBA Commissioner David Stern took to the podium before the Rockets and Warriors game in Oakland. He spoke mostly about the Sacramento and Seattle situation. It doesn’t look like we’re going to have to wait until April 18th to get this all figured out. Stern has given Sacramento until April 3rd to get their bid and arena plan completely finalized. If it is not done by then it looks like the sale to Hansen/Ballmer is going to be finalized by the BOG.
People out of Sacramento have been claiming that this was a done deal for them and they were much further along in the process than Seattle was. Stern made it clear that there is no bid in from Sacramento and it was more an expression of interest and that the potential bidders in Sacramento are not even close to the dollar amount that Hansen and Ballmer are in.
He did say that he was in contact with the Hansen group today. So at least we know there is still dialogue between Chris and the NBA. I figured there was, now we have confirmation.
Last Saturday I said I was confident that we were getting the Kings and unless things completely change in the next three weeks we should know if we have the Kings or not for certain.
My bet is that we do and Kevin Johnson can go head the NBA Players Union.
If you want actual quotes, check out our Twitter or Chris Daniel’s Twitter page.
The only thing I didn’t like hearing was this.
“Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
Stern says he expects a comparable offer to keep team in Sacramento and build a new arena there, but as of now its not comparable.”
Well, once again, Mitch Levy was right, at least on this issue. The man has some great sources.
low low lowwwwwww
So I guess this press conference was the leak that Mitch was predicting earlier this week.
Yeah, but we’ve never been certain that they had the financial power to pull it off.
CMD’s twitter is pretty entertaining right now
King 5 news just said the $30M deposit will have no bearing on the BOG’s decision.
Sacramento now has less than a month to accomplish something they haven’t been able to figure out for more than a decade; something it took Mr. Hansen about a year to get to the point we’re at today.
I just can’t see how that’s possible.
Thats what Stern said in the presser
He’s doing his part to keep the troops rallied.
Does anybody know where you can get the video/audio of the press conference?
I know, that’s what I was thinking too. Stern may know there’s no way SAC will come up with much by 4/3, much less anything comparable. So give them an unattainable goal, when they don’t meet it approve the sale. Kinda like Clay’s $500 mil, basically 100% publicly funded arena way back when for us.
I don’t know what to think at the moment. At first, it sounded like so long as the Sacramento group matched the offer, they would stay. But then, towards the end of the conference, he stated that they needed to up their offer simply to be “considered.”
In other words, if there’s no increase in Sacramento’s offer, the team is moving. If they do up their offer, the BOG will then analyze both proposals and pick one. Overall, advantage Seattle.
25 days to get new bid and approved Term Sheet, which gives NBA little time review before April 3rd.
sac sent mastrov out with the family cow… came back with magic beans… beans need to grow or theyre done
Not sure why sacR isn’t buzzing with a new thread. hmmm. I think those would be entertaining to see from the other side.
I added a count down in the side bar.
Ahhh, there it is.
I don’t take the part about being “considered” as a new development or negative for Seattle. Just by accepting the bids and giving KJ a shot, we always knew the NBA was going to “consider” the Sac offer, in the sense that if it was a solid offer and the NBA was inclined to keep the team in Sacramento, it would factor into the decision on the Hansen PSA.
However, it sounds like the offer is so low that Stern isn’t even forwarding it along to the other NBA owners. He’s saying “get serious and come back to the table”, as in, if you want us to even start looking at the other factors in this sale: fairness, fan support, your building, etc., you need to at least cross a certain threshold.
I don’t like that Stern is giving Sac so many chances, etc., but I think the major thing to take from tonight is that the Sac offer is so far off that it makes their argument not even worth hearing.
Ever since the Hansen offer was submitted Sac’s worst enemy was time. Glad to see 15 days of that time was just slashed.
KJ made promises that were do by March 1st and he didn’t deliver. Feels like Stern/BOG just gave him the consequence for not delivering what he promised.
That’s exactly what I get from the situation. Up the offer to even make it a discussion, thought that was pretty obvious. I too hate all these chances that sac is getting, very very aggravating.
#THINKBIGOFFERSMALL
I guess I don’t understand how the bog can take all control out of the owners hands. What’s the point in owning, if you can’t have a hand in deciding your own future, or who you want to sell to, and for how much? You’d think anyone would want a bidding war.
So if they match our bid, that’s it then, no raising our bid, eh? Seems a little one sided if that’s the case. They should be allowed one more up bid, without knowing each others bid as final, and whoever is the most, gets it.
Its PR. At the end the NBA will say that Seattle had ghe stronger offer and Sac had the chance but came up short. NBA saves face.
Don’t be aggravated. Once you get mad and lose your cool, Kevin Johnson wins.
We all know Kevin Johnson can’t win the big one.
yep #thinkbigoffersmall or #keepyoursherifftakeyourteam
It means what it’s always meant. The BOG can veto any sale.
Christ o mighty, 525 mil is almost double what they’re really worth. This isn’t the dallas cowboys, or the lakers. Even though it’s not all going toward the owners, it’s still money out of someones pocket to obtain the team.
THIS
Stern never says/does anything without a motive. So now to figure out the motive. Was it to rally Sac support ? Pressure up the offer for the “non-bidding” war ? “Won’t be “economics” that will decide this?” Uggggggggh.
So what was his motive ??
I think Mitch knew from his sources that the bid was low - - but I can’t believe he knew that’s what Stern was going to say.
I’ll go back to the question I was asking even before Mitch leaked his info and we were just hearing that the offer was “slightly” less.
If you can match, why wouldn’t you? I mean, if the money is there, why would you even consider submitting a lesser offer from the get go? Think of the just the difference in perception that would benefit Sacramento if word got out to the owners and the press that Sacramento had submitted a matching bid. That’d be kind of big, right? Now the NBA would be in a tight spot. But by submitting a lesser bid, whether that’s $1 less or $100mm less, you give the NBA an easy out to send the team to Seattle. “Sac’s offer was lower than Seattle’s”, nobody would blame the NBA for that.
So again, why in the world wouldn’t you match right off the bat?
There’s one answer that just seems to make sense: they can’t.
It is pretty funny that KJ’s “Fair and competitive offer” turned out to be neither and was basically laughed out the door at the NBA.
Will Sacramento have their arena plan done by April 3rd?
hello from Sacramento.
right after the press conference fox40′s sports guy Jim Crandell came on the airs and said he was surmised the Mastrov bid/offer whatever was low, he thought for sure it woukd be competitive. he seemed genuinely surprised and disappointed.
the local homers here may tel, you Jim is useless etc and I don’t know if he is or not but above was his reaction.
If it turns out that Stern is giving Sacramento guys the numbers of Hansen’s legally sealed bid and that leaks out. You best believe there is going to be a huge outcry and some legal action taken by Hansen.
I think his motive may be so that, in the end, he can say he did all he could.
Supposedly itll be completed by March 26 for council review
So dispite what Stern said, it really does come down to economics. These nïeve fans still think the NBA has a heart
I don’t think they have to. I’d say the arena thing can still be on the same timeline as it originally was, but if at the April 3rd meeting, Sac doesn’t have their bid up to snuff, they can go home. If they do, it’s on to the April 19 meeting for the same showdown we expected. It’d obviously still be their flimsy details lacking term sheet, that they’d be bringing with them.
But the article on this thread says “Stern has given Sacramento until April 3rd to get their bid and arena plan completely finalized ”
If there is no vote on it by 3rd its over.
Consideration is one thing but finalized is another.
He meant that in the context of the offers are in the same ballpark. Right now Mastrovs number is not even in the same galaxy. Big difference.
We heard earlier this week the offer was really really low. No numbers, but very low. Mitch was right
That will be a term sheet with a basic financial structure included, but there’s no way it will be approved legislation by then. There has to be opportunities for public comment on things like this. Maybe they don’t require as much as we had to endure, but this is a HUGE and complex deal.
Words get twisted a bit, though, I don’t think Stern specifically said that.
I think Stern is starting to manage expectations
I saw that and the local reaction was pretty “no it isn’t!” plus I understand KJ wants to win but publicly trashing seattle is not the way to go and I don’t think it’s helping his cause one bit.
Why should NBA consider sacramento’s offer if there is no arena plan approved by the city apirl 3rd that is no differnet than not having a offer that is close to ours.
Stern is setting the table to justify why Sactown lost their team. He has to justify it as being a significantly lower offer in order to appease any other city that might be caught in the same position. He also has to appear to bend over backwards to keep the Kings in Sactown before allowing them to leave. His new approach is a result of the heavy handed way he dealt with the Sonics in 2008. Notice it is not his decision this time. Now it is the BOG that make the decisions. He is Mr. Niceguy of the NBA.
I don’t quite understand what Stern meant by the Maloofs setting up a difficult process to make it harder to come to an agreement with a Sac purchaser.
Uh, you don’t get to come to an agreement with a Sac purchaser. You don’t own the team. The Maloofs do.
That’s all a bit confusing, and again, Stern does sound like he’s giving Sac a ton of chances and giving them special instruction, I just don’t think Sac has what it takes to follow them.
I’m getting a kick out of the “BoG tells the Maloof’s who to sell to”
especially when Seattle radio has been absolutely saying, “NO THEY CAN’T!”
Here’s a great example
skip to 11:30 and you’ll hear:
Jerry: “…you cannot, as a group of NBA owners, force the Maloofs to take a lesser offer”
Elise: “correct”
Elise: “…they will NEVER be able to make the Maloofs take that offer, they can’t!”
Jerry: “no, and the Maloofs have a binding agreement and have taken 30 million dollars”
and it goes on and on after that.
I know there is way bigger news from the presser, but hey, I’m not gonna pass up an opportunity to call Seattle media on their bullshit.
lol, from sacroyalty.
I think you are absolutely correct.
Let’s not start a war… Please stay off their site its just maddening.
I’m not saying they should, I’m just saying that I expect they will given that the NBA and Stern have given them every opportunity so far.
They wanted everything by April 19, the bid wasn’t enough so they’re having a meeting on April 3rd. It’d be punitive of them to force an accelerated arena deal because of the lower bid, and I don’t think that fits with how they’ve handled it so far. If the money is there, they’re going to have another meeting on April 19 anyways still, aren’t they?
Haven’t been to their site, wont go to their site. Just making that clear. I get enough from them on Twitter.
I don’t know what to make of all this. Why would Mastrov bid so low? The number to match has been out for a month or something. Perhaps he also bought into that bullshit about the city loan, but given that he’s a successful businessman it seems unlikely.
Why does Sacramento keep getting chances to fix this? Their bid was low, and avoiding the “why do they even get to bid when there is a PSA?” question, why do they get to increase their bid?
What does the NBA want to happen? I have to believe they already know what they’re gonna do, and no matter what it is, why string people along like this? I mean, keeping people coming to games in Sac and encouraging their arena process is one thing, but that was already happening without calling out the bid and if they want to come to Seattle they could have just said “Well, the bid just wasn’t there from Sac”
Blah. My non-Seattle friends say I’m just freaking out for no reason and that it’s all gonna work out. I do agree that no one outside Seattle and Sacramento care about this story but… just blah.
Devil’s advocate here - - - Perhaps Mastrov/Burkle wanted to see what Stern would do. Test the waters so to speak. How much they really have to offer ? Their rationale could be - start low and see how that’s received. Stern publicly tells the world Sac’s bid is not good enough to consider. The KJ/Sac rally starts anew - Mastrov Group ups the offer and now they really get the Sac PR machine in their favor. The little train that could against all odds. Under that scenerio - how does the NBA turn Sac down?
Stern never does/says anything without a motive. He could have stayed quiet and just let it go to a vote. There was a reason why he publicly made these statements.
Yea they’ll have the april 19th meeting anyways.
So NBA screwed seattle AGAIN?
Let’s not forget they also have no deal on an arena. It is all just a lot of promises at this point.
I’m not sure how to feel about this either. If it’s really true that if all Sacramento has to do is match the bid to win, I don’t feel as good about things. My take was Seattle would have the advantage even if the Sac offer was close due to the size of the market and other similar factors.
“He also has to appear to bend over backwards to keep the Kings ”
I agree with everything else but, no, he did bend over backwards and they simply have not delivered.
While Sac was sending in their term sheet, the league was getting a look at Key Arena as a temporary home.
I think the bog got the term sheet and just said it was short, straight up. There is no other reason for Stern to talk on behalf of the bog.
oh for heaven shakes just cause they match DOESN’T mean sacramento is keeping the team. They have to have a close offer to hansen’s to even be considered at the apirl 19th meeting.
That’s still the case. Seattle still has an advantage even if they match.
I’m not sure what people took from this press conference that is now making them think Sac wins if they match. Sacramento was always going to be considered at the BOG meeting, they’re a huge part of this, all that happened today was Stern said that they haven’t brought enough to have a seat at the table yet. If Sac is able to match, they’re going to be exactly where we thought they’d be, arguing their case to the BOG.
Way off topic…Kevin I like the way your comments and other authors (Xteve for example) for the site have a darker background. I noticed Mike Bakers does not. Is there a reason for this?
This tweet is what has me concerned about them only having to match to win.
Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
Stern says he expects a comparable offer to keep team in Sacramento and build a new arena there, but as of now its not comparable.
ok why would they lowball it? I get then testing the waters thing but what makes or made them think they’d have more than one shot at it? would you? And Mastrov doesn’t know how the HB groups deal is structured so going in with weak sauce was either the best he could do or he just doesn’t understand what needs to be done.
Also since I’m here, HB have super deep pockets to buy and run a team, does Mastrov have that same ability to not just buy but also keep a team running? IMO that is maybe the most important thing besides a viable arena plan
That doesn’t mean they automatically WIN.
I say lets face it. Deal is done and now I feel comfortable doing game threads and talking roster moves. No way they up the bid if they took this long to submit it. It’s done guys. Sonics are back
I’m reading that differently than you. I’m taking that as David Stern is expecting that an offer to keep the team in Sacramento and build a new arena that is comparable to the Seattle offer will be made.
Not that such an offer would keep the team in Sac.
I don’t think so, this is no time to f-around, seriously, they are competing with Hansen and Ballmer’s “very strong” proposal.
I still don’t like the way this is being handled that they get to match, knowing what we bid. Usually when you try to bid for something, like a contracting job, you don’t get to see everyone else s bid. Lowest bid wins in those
Whoever bids highest in a closed bid, should win in this case.
One bid, one shot. Put up or shut up is how this should have been handled. Not giving the other side the benefit of the doubt.
Author of thread is highlighted.
Now that we all but have the Sonics back…I just wanted to point out that Xfinity/Comcast people can suspiciously watch the Kings game on league pass Ch 449 for free..SWEET!
Hmm, you could be right. He didn’t word it very well, so it’s hard to tell.
I’d like to hear the actual audio from the press conference.
I think there is a background setting. I’ll check it out, meanwhile, we are off topic, check out Simmons worst contract article in Grantland.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9030601/the-worst-contracts-nba
It doesn’t matter if they match or not. There is other things that they have to consider. Like i said just cause they match doesn’t mean they are staying put.
I love how the binding and sealed deal is binding and sealed when it benefits Sacramento, but that doesn’t matter at all to you guys when it doesn’t.
Get out of here with that.
With how that tweet is worded, I believe I’m correct. The fact it goes “and build a new arena in Sacramento” is the biggest indicator that he’s listing two things that the bid would propose to do.
Right i am not buying that he wants the Kings to stay.
We don’t underestimate Sacramento, we’re just not particularly worried about what that city, in the shape it is in, can manage to do and what it can manage to convince wealthy people to do for them.
This seems like a setback for Sacramento, but I don’t feel it’s in the bag for Seattle either. I guess people will read his comments however they like.
I think stern is being honest here. If Sacramento offer wants to be considered it has to be close to Hansen’s with a arena deal done.
The fact that he gave sacramento a deadline means things aren’t going good. If things were alright with sacramento why the deadline?
Wait, it’s a fact that Stern wants the Kings to stay in Sacramento? That sounds more like an opinion to me.
But you’re not really stating the facts. You’re stating a certain view of things. It can’t be the case that Hansen’s bid is now signed, sealed, and legally binding and have it be that none of those things matter. Either those three things limit his ability to alter his bid and are very, very important legal factors to the NBA, or they aren’t. One or the other, pick.
Close game between Kings and Suns going into half
You are better off listening to what Stern said that drawing conclusions from someone paraphrasing.
I share every sentiment. Why do they get a 5th, 6th, 7th chance???? Kick em to the curb and let’s end this!
Northwest Basketball @NW_Basketball
“@largesteven: Mark Mastrov interview cbs13 at 10” I guess Mastrov isn’t under a gag order then? #NBAKings #NBASeattle
Suns vs Raptors game this week was the first game I’ve been to since the Sonics left. Was not a good choice.
I agree - - no time to be f-ing around. But, I just don’t see the point of Sac’s offer. They would have to know it wouldn’t be given any serious consideration. Why wouldn’t Stern just say we’ve received Sac’s proposal and we are considering it. Stern doesn’t make public comments without motive. So what was the point ?
Halftime here in Sac. KJ is supposed to speak, probably going to spew some bs
Soooooo….. Kings-Bucks game thread on Sunday at 6?
I’m for it!
You rather they say nothing and continue onward towards April 19th which would be 2 more weeks of time for sacramento. They have 26 days to get everything done or you rather they have 42 days to get everything done.
Its not the $$$ offer that the issue its rather they can get an approved arena plan by the 3rd.
I’m game. Ill be out of town for work, try to find a bar with League Pass
Soooooo….. Kings-Bucks game thread on Sunday at 6?
No. Heck, I don’t even like how that countdown clock says “Days Until We Get Sonics.”
I work for Comcast and I just tested this in the call center - yup - it’s happening. No - I don’t know why.
Chris Daniels @ChrisDaniels5
RT @agonzalezap: Mastrov responded to Stern’s comments…Says “it’s all part of the process.” Expects strong bid by BOG meeting.
But it does appear that Stern is giving Sacramento a guiding push. I don’t like that.
But on the other hand, it could be a game of PR chicken here. Sac sends a low bid, dares the NBA to turn down Sacramento’s efforts, the NBA sends the bid back, pus the onus on them to come back with more money, and we’ll see the next move. It’s a game of hot potato in terms of who gets the blame if this doesn’t work out for Sac.
“@agonzalezAP: Mark Mastrov responded to Stern’s comments from his courtside seat. Says “it’s all part of the process.” Expects strong bid by BOG meeting.”
To me, this is no different then asking for a present at Christmas or your birthday. You aren’t certain you are going to get what you want, but you’re definitely excited and waiting for the day. Half the fun is getting excited and building up to that moment. So for me, I’m not going to subdue my excitement or not buy into this yet. Sure, I might get disappointed, but then again, the moment we get the Sonics back will be all that much better.
The point appears, inadvertently, to be about showing how Sac is struggling to put up a competitive offer. That struggle isn’t the mark of confidence, it just isn’t.
You just don’t lowball at this point, it’s way late for that.
Indeed if there weren’t any issues with sacramento’s offer then why the April 3rd deadline?
I think the important thing for everyone to remember is that the Kings aren’t worth $525 in Sac and the city can’t afford to give them a free arena to offset the value if Mastrov can somehow come up up with the cash. My only worry is if Klitoris or whatever teams up
Good grief Art. You could find bad news on a winning lottery ticket.
Art Thiel @Art_Thiel
SoDo arena developer Chris Hansen’s hedge fun has worst quarterly loss in its history. http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2020518501_hansenvaliantperformxml.html …
Interesting…I’m watching the game now! Interesting indeed…
Hahaha Klitoris…was that on purpose or just an honest mistake?
First two minutes of the second half of this “free” Kings/Suns game has been pretty sloppy.
Yes. It feels to me if Sac wanted a chance, they’d have blown the offer out of the water.
Instead, they brought the beancounters down, did some equations to figure out to the penny the lowest the offer could be, and put it in. That won’t win.
And thanks to Sac. Told that their bid isn’t good enough, they choose to take the view that, “Stern could have said nothing; him telling us our bid was no good means he’s telling us exactly what to do for the win!!”
Yes, that’s what that means… HAHAHA!!!
Cousins hustling on defense for once!
Then gets a dumb offensive foul.
Don’t forget, I think Sac also thinks its evident Stern is working with them cause of the whole resurrecting of the WNBA Monarchs.
I assumed Sac’s offer included the Arena. Heck, I wish they would vote today. Sooner the better.
Sorry - Sac’s really low-ball offer doesn’t make sense to me. Stern’s public comments regarding their offer was to make a point. My viewpoint from Stern’s comment: Sac - you get yet another chance to up your bid and it needs it be submitted to us by this date for consideration. That’s all I’m getting at — What’s the point ?
“oops, uh, yeah we meant to do that….”- Mark Mastrov
God I hate DMC. His attitude is redic
Looks like Cousins reached in for his 4th fouls on purpose…he’s fuming.! Grant Napier is explaining how frustrating he is to watch.
KJ responded somewhere on sterns press conference.
He did in the Sac arena press room I think.
Tyreke actually did something good, and hurts himself in the process…
Art Thiel will be reporting that this means everything is in the bag for Sacramento because the BOG just doesn’t really pay attention to these kinds of things.
The arena plan is not done and i question will that be done by apirl 3rd. so imo with out the arena plan being done by the 3rd of next month then its over.
Yeah, I can’t wait to hear KJ’s & Mastrov’s response.
“The counter bid has got very strong financial people behind it, but it is not quite there in comparison to the Seattle bid,” Stern said. “There is a substantial variance.”
Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson issued a statement immediately after the commissioner’s press conference, saying he remains confident the local group will grind out a win. He characterized the moment as the fourth quarter.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/03/08/5248370/stern-sacramento-groups-bid-to.html#storylink=cpy
Yeah, if their arena plan and bid isn’t up to par they won’t even be at the table on the 18th.
If we lose this, just remember it will be because of Sterns quest to get the Monarchs back in Sacramento before he retires!
I see some are riding the roller coaster today
Here’s KJ’s response at the Sacramento game:
https://soundcloud.com/deucemason/mayor-kevin-johnson-3-8
Oh no! He only made ten percent last year!! Sound the warning bells!!!
I seriously doubt that what Stern said in the presser about Mastrov needing to up his offer is comes as a surprise to him. Stern probably has already told KJ who would tell Mastrov. The thing is that Mastrov can’t afford much more. The Hansen group offer is about 50% more than Mastrov is worth. Unless Mastrov has his own whles, he isn’t going to be able to go to far. He needs his own “Steve Ballmer”.
Can they get all of their ducks in the row by 4/3? They can if they work at it until they drop. I have had to work on crontracts like this. The PSA would take not just weeks, but usually months. It doesn’t matter who the attorneys will be. They just take a lot more time than you would think.
I don’t know what to think. Seems like Sacrmaento just keeps getting more chances than Seattle ever did.
LMAO
Maybe KJ & Mastrov will make a concession speech. Fingers crossed.
IT has been on a tear
I see some are riding the roller coaster today
Every day for me.
KJ never says the bid will go up in the interview, despite being pressed. Just a lot of the same old rah-rah. Who knows.
Shit, he beat my 401K. Chris can I invest in your fund?
Seriously Stern made comments about our offer shouldn’t be fair that he comments on their so called offer?
I’m getting annoyed by the whole roller coaster that’s going on today
Yup, which seems weird since Stern said nothing but things we should like. Sac’s offer isn’t even worth presenting and the BOG is going to look at things on April 3rd.
Don’t know why that made people ride the rollercoaster.
Honestly I’ve wondered what comes first. The chicken or the egg? The arena or the team? It sounds like a catch 22. How can we have an arena deal without the team, but without the team, how can we get the arena going?
I may be a little behind.
So the process is for Mastrov to submit a bid only to be rebuffed by the Corporate head for being low?
Not a good way to make friends in the NBA.
Agreed and with 2 weeks less for sacramento to work worth it gets things more difficult for them to get done. Question even if sac’s offer was close to ours would stern still gave that April 3rd deadline given where they are in the process of the arena deal?
It is bad the klitoris has a better bid than mastrov? I am drink right now but even drunk Tyler can call spade a spade. Sac efforts were just face saving. We knew it and now everyone knows it
Season isn’t over until April. Just because we are in a hurry as fans doesn’t mean the NBA wants a lame duck franchise. The best scenerio for the NBA is to make Sac think they have a chance until the season is over. Then the team can leave quietly.
They don’t want a 2nd white elephant.
“@HereWeStay: RT “@ailene_voisin: Mastrov said he is confident his offer will be ready . “It’s early. We are working on a very aggressive bid’”"
So what was the first one you submitted? Why didn’t you just give them one real bid?
Dude! It’s not even 9 yet! Pace yourself!
At the All-Star game Stern stated the KJ promised to have the bid ready on March 1st. Didn’t happen.
My guess is that this was either a warning shot to hurry KJ up or that the committee is ready to make their recomendation and wants to present it prior to the April meetings.
Yeah, never got the impression that Stern likes to be told “hurry up and wait.”
Ugh… should have got a touch screen for my desktop. Windows 8 was never meant to be used with a mouse.
I’m not against it. But I’m not ready to do Kings threads only. I still would like to keep up random game threads to cover the whole league. That doesn’t mean we can’t do a Sac game here and there.
Speaking of following games. I’m watching GS-HOU on ESPN. The Warriors shirt jerseys are hideous. They look like they’re playing in pajamas. Anyone know the general consensus to these things? Are there people out there who like them? Do players like playing in them? Or is it an Oregon Ducks type thing, where 31 year old me is just out of touch with youth culture?
Steve Ballmer, CEO Microsoft: “I hereby raise my bid to $1 billion dollars.”
K.J., Professional Clown: “Rock, paper, scissors?”
copied from the SacBee comments.
I’ve never heard positive thoughts regarding those jerseys. They are so rec league.
One word: OSX
I switched back to Mac. I’m only getting on my desktop now to play SimCity.
Still waiting for the Mac release >:(
I read that they are having massive server issues and people are upset about that.
You going to put an arena in your city?
Chris Daniels @ChrisDaniels5
VIDEO: NBA Commish David Stern talks about #NBAKings and difference between #Sacramento - #Seattle deals:
http://www.king5.com/sports/David-Sterns-latest-comments-on-the-KingsSonics-196643931.html
Yeah, took three hours to login the other night.
I’m going to build two and steal two teams! lol
Windows 8 buys basketball teams for us.
I have no plans on getting sim city at this point. i’m somewhat a little broke right now since i just bought a ps3.
I support them through Xbox.
Xbox buys basketball teams for us.
Sorry not a xbox fan.
I get Windows stuff free through work. I bought an XBOX though. Was going to get a PS3, but then they cancelled the Shadow of the Colossus sequel. I almost cried.
I’d buy one. Easier to fold, fit in a drawer. More forgiving for less than ideal body types.
It’s okay, not everyone can be perfect :p
Stern should have just kept his mouth shut. Why give Sac any chance to regroup ? Just say we’ll consider both offers and vote. Game over. I’ve never thought and still don’t think Sac has any serious shot at this. But - - Geez, they get another shot ?? Enough already. I’m sure Hansen offer’s has already been vetted. Vote now for heaven’s sake.
I’m all for it. Looking at what Stern said it seems like its really positive for us. I mean he confirmed that Sac’s bid was low if not really really low and then gave them an April 3rd deadline. I honestly don’t see how Sac will have enough time to accomplish all the obligations that are now expected 15 days sooner. I also don’t get the low ball bid at all. It took them this long to even make a bid, I just don’t see how this could be a testing the waters type of bid for them when the clock was already really against them.
Sac media and fans can spin it however they like but it really doesn’t look good for them and it looks like Stern is trying to manage expectations.
East coast man. Maryland! Also free drinks for Hopkins recruitment weekend for phd students. So justified.
I love my Xbox and my MLB The Show device.
Its mostly that the game i would play are on ps3 and well i also wanted a blu-ray player.
And essentially give Sacramento 2 weeks of additional time?
Apparently Stern and Mastrov had a animated PUBLIC conversation for about 10 minutes after the press conference.
Don’t be frustrated by the wait for a mac release EA’s servers are doing typically what EA servers do which is be absolutely complete sh*t post release up to a month and then hope for the best. I say this as someone who’s been a Battlefield fan for years, so I know all about EA and their great servers.
I always feel a little guilty when I wear my Sounders shirt and play my PS3. But, I’m not an XBOX fan either.
Sure, I’d rather wear one in public than a jersey. But I’m more concerned with my basketball team looking stupid.
That’s pretty interesting as an animated discussion doesn’t usually indicate everything is going to plan.
To do what, though? The sentiment you’re challenging is that of thinking that Sac’s bid should have been taken in and reviewed for the April 19 decision, not leaving it open for public critique and future amendments.
We all know how things look when deadlines are given the fact that stern gave a deadline why do people think that means sacrament is given another chance.
Its better than moving back the April 19th BOG meeting two additional weeks.
Anyone see the KJ comment about negotiating in public not being beneficial to Mastrov/Burkle? HAHAHAHAHA! Now, I generally try to stay away from mocking Sac or their efforts. But seriously? All KJ has done is attempt to negotiate in public. A more hypocritical comment cannot be said. That is unless Bruski goes and says something about journalistic integrity.
I’d be careful in assuming what “animated” means. I find it highly unlikely that Stern would let himself be witnessed having a heated discussion of sorts in this setting. Animated could mean anything from fuming rage to big smiles, laughs, etc.
I was joking about the moving back the apirl meeting.
Because he told them what they need to fix in their bid, told them the date they need to fix it by, and is giving them that time to do so, rather than simply letting the two “bids” sit until the April 19 meeting. Sac’s group is getting feedback from the NBA itself as to how to amend their bid to best serve their chances, that’s another chance, no other way to put it.
He was probably laughing at him. He has 2.5 weeks to get a serious offer and an arena plan. He currently has neither
Sacramento has two weeks less to get things done. Lets here stern could not gave sac the 3rd deadline thus 42 days to get things done before 19th or given the deadline which takes away 2 weeks to get things done.
2.5 weeks is better than a month and half.
Regarding the Stern comments. All we’ve learned is Sac’s offer is low, just like Mitch said. As to if Sac stepping up and matching, and who it would benefit, none of us are to say. Sac fans are going to say they win that tie, our fans will say us. Because everyone involved is a homer, admitted or not. There’s absolutely no way to know. Trying to rationalize it is just a waste of everyone’s time. Does Sac step up and match? Who knows. If they do and keep the team, I have a hard time getting too angry. I’d have absolutely lost my mind had we matched Bennett penny for penny and still lost the team.
PS - Man do the Phoenix Suns suck.
I don’t blame you at all for going for a PS3 because of the Blu Ray player that’s pretty much what my PS3 is used for these days besides playing Uncharted or Infamous. With that said I have an Xbox 360 and only really play Halo on it or sports games.
Gene you quoted the wrong person ;)
Sean,
they do not have 7 weeks to get the arena done. They have 2.5 weeks to get the arena done. It doesn’t matter what they offer in $$$ if they have no arena plan then its game over.
Ailene Voisin @ailene_voisin
Stern went on gsw radio and then walked down to Mastrov. Talked for almost ten minutes …. Very animated. …
Ailene Voisin @ailene_voisin
After stern walked off I asked Mastrov what commish said . “he told me to cal him.” Mastrov smiled. Said the two will talk in next few days
mitch levy @kjrmitch
I was actually somewhat surprised that Kevin Johnson actually went to NBA with this deal. He had to know that this would be reaction
It was bound to happen sooner or later ;)
Thanks for the 200 comments in about an hour. New thread!
With Video!
Yikes, Stern is just??? Just don’t get any of this. I think that the City of Sacramento is going to be forced to build the arena with its own money. That’s how this is going to get done. I bet Mastrov can come up with another $50 million to maybe $75 mill (pulling numbers out of my ass, no idea how off he was). Maybe lowball was a shitty manipulative means to force the City of Sacramento to foot the cost of the arena.
If that happens and then incorporating Sterns comment that the NBA has some sort of super control over a team anytime an owner decides to sell, well then…
Yeah, but all Stern said was he was calling a meeting. He didn’t say it was a deadline. We can assume, probably safely, that Sac needs to have their final bid in by then, but the idea that Sac needs to have their finalized bid AND their completed arena deal done by then is entirely speculation.
So maybe you like the shorter timeframe, but I’d have preferred Sac to go into April 19th with their incomparable bid than get a second chance in crunch time.
Source this. Show me where this has been said, that’s all I’m asking. If it hasn’t been said, then I don’t believe it is so.
mitch levy @kjrmitch
Still haven’t seen anyone report the actual dollar amount of Sac offer. Trust me - it was very very low.
lol
Stern can assert whatever he wants, that doesn’t make it so. The NBA can even put it in their Constitution, it doesn’t make it so. The point is, the NBA claiming total control over the ability to sell an owner’s team would not hold up in court. That’s why the NBA and other sports monopolies prefer to stay out of courts. They give themselves this aura of total dominance and it is perceived to be so until a higher power quashes it, they avoid having that higher power judge them like the plague. They hate to have their scope narrowed.
“if the Seattle bid is blocked by NBA owners, the Maloofs would still have to agree to sell the team to any other group. However, Stern said the board has some influence on these matters and remains confident there will a resolution one way or another.
“If an ownership group has decided to exit our league,” Stern said, “it doesn’t retain the ultimate right to tell us where it’s going to be located.”
http://www.king5.com/sports/David-Sterns-latest-comments-on-the-KingsSonics-196643931.html
Exactly !!
Yup - me too
Dude. I love MLB The Show.
Maybe I’m just a nut but I read the Stern transcript and got an odd feeling that Stern really is on the Sac side and would like them to stay put but he knows or strongly feels like the BOG is going to approve the sale/move. It kinda feels like he is trying to get Sac in a better position so he can convince the BOG to change their mind.
Maybe Comcast is one of the minority investing companies involved with Hansen/Ballmer? Hmm? Anybody? :D