Yesterday, Sacramento had planned to announce an arena plan and failed to do so.
Mark Mastrov and Ron Burkle, the duo attempting to construct both an arena plan and an ownership group, added another member, Vivek Ranadive.
In an apparent effort to add more financial heft to their bid for the Sacramento Kings, Mark Mastrov and Ron Burkle have recruited Vivek Ranadive, chairman and chief executive of a $1 billion-a-year Silicon Valley software company, to be the new leader in their bid to buy the team.
Ranadive is also a limited partner and vice chairman of the Golden State Warriors - the team Mastrov tried to buy in 2010.
New investor emerges in bid for Kings
It takes some guts to step into the light when the other news coming out of Sacramento was disappointing for the Kings fans. But, let’s be realistic here, assembling an arena pan and ownership group this late in the game is exceedingly difficult to complete in a meaningful way before time runs out.
They lost a day, and potentially some confidence with NBA owners.
To some degree, it would be difficult for Chris Hansen to release information on the progress of the arena being planned in Seattle without it looking like some kind of PR play after the failure in Sacramento. But, the fact of the matter is, the citizens of Seattle and the Sonics fans, independent from whatever isn’t happening in Sacramento, are probably due an update on the progress of Seattle’s arena.
So, Chris Hansen, how is our arena plan going?
And, once again, the Bee eludes to Burkle being involved in team ownership.
At this point he may be. Who knows how long they have been talking with #3 and what the plans are. They seem to change every few days. All i know is since KJs announcement, both the arena plan and the ownership group have changed or not materialized…which doesn’t exude any sort of confidence. I would appreciate another arena update in terms of permitting and things like that. Interiors are cool and all and we love concept renderings, but I would like some more meat on this thing actually going through processing. Are there any council arena plans coming up?
Talking about an arena update, you guy’s see this what FIU might do to their court?
http://www.thevictoryformation.com/2013/03/21/fiu-has-court-designs-that-would-make-oregon-blush/
Well, this is the school that hired Isiah Thomas so they’re clearly known for bad decisions.
This FIU court designs are a bit much and Oregon’s is just flat out weird in my opinion. I know what Oregon was aiming for, but it’s not working. I’m not totally opposed to shaking up court designs though.
FIU weird court. FAU prison naming rights. Both seem fitting for the Miami area
I don’t understand why Hansen would need to release another arena update. SonicsArena.com released the seating bowl renderings just nine days ago, and they are frickin’ awesome. The ticket waitlist is open. The NBA is finishing their analysis of the Hansen-Ballmer application.
Sacramento is flailing. As the saying goes: when someone is tripping over themselves, don’t get in their way.
For example, he was given permission to seek a master use permit. Has he? What’s the ETA on the EIS/SEPA reviews? These are the kinds of updates I would be interested in.
I wanna see more renderings of the inside. The Rings intrigue me, and would love to see food, beer setup. I like that bar Key has on the 100 level concourse, would be nice to have something like that but with a better view
I’m hearing this second hand, but apparently the Great Wheel is lit up in green and gold.
I need confirmation of this.
My buddy tried to take a picture and ended up swerving into the next lane.
Have to catch the new tonight..they often show it on channel 5 at the end.
*news
Snowing in Seattle this morning lol.
^Weird the sun is shining in Orting. Cold though…we never get snow down in the valley :-(
No updates needed Mr. Hansen. I hope he continues to work in the background like he has been, as that’s 10x more effective than calling a press conference for every investor you get and missing deadlines for the most important document of your process (sup KJ?)
I wonder if they’ll have any updates on the renderings of the arena soon? Or did they pretty much stop spending any more time/money until something with more assurance comes along, like a bog vote?
Not necessary, Mr. Baker. I’ll let Mr. Ali explain why…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udkoZ1EqGS8
so please any analysis in this new change of things down in Sac?
I’m half empty (new investor) and half full (no term sheet for the arena).
the Rollercoaster doesn’t stop
Just want to jump on Kevin’s sentiment from the previous thread about keeping it civil. I know inclination is to give it back to the Sac trolls and to scoff at everything CMD or Bruski tweets. But it’s pointless and all it does is give them the reaction they want. They want Seattle fans to lower themselves to such a level. They want us to fit their evil stereotype. It’s CMD’s game in a nutshell. Insult Seattle fans to elicit a response, then use the response to rally his Sac brethren against. It’s exactly what that bboschris Sac fan was doing here yesterday. Trying to pose as an obnoxious Seattle fan, hitting all the talking points of what annoys Sac fans. Acting entitled and arrogant. Please guys. I beg you to resist the urge to fight back. You are only playing into their hands when you do.
And can we PLEASE stop mocking and denigrating every single thing about their arena and team saving efforts? Seriously! It makes me sick to see such hypocrisy. I read people here ripping apart their plan or the idea that an arena can help their city, using some of the exact arguments and talking points we had thrown in our faces from anti-arena people. Really?! Makes my stomach turn. I realize we all want this to go our way desperately. But to root for the anti-sports people at Sac town meetings, when we went nuts on them at our own, is inexcusable and just ridiculous.
Come on guys. We are supposed to b better than this. I understand that doing all the things I’m speaking out against is comforting, in that it helps reinforce the thinking that we got this in the bag. And that giving it back to Sac trolls feels good. But we don’t need to do this crap. We either got this already, or we don’t. I believe we do. So let’s act like it and save the nonsense.
$hit, I’ve been preaching this since January, but people have no discipline to simple name calling. Maybe folks will understand THIS time.
And I’m not saying we can’t point out things we find odd about their plan. For example, this new whale. They’re saying he’s been part of the plan all along. But was only announced after the league told Mastrov his offer was too low. That’s fishy. It’s ok to talk about such things. But no need to revel in it or mock incessantly.
Attacking the city is obviously ridiculous. Critiquing public figures like Bruski or CMD, if at least cogent, is perfectly acceptable. Also arguing the merits of their arena plan is fine with me, again as long as they are cogent. Rooting one way or another is pretty pointless, but it is fine to point out that arenas are not the economic drivers people think they are and I think many people here are glad that we have a pretty safe arena plan. So saying when one looks less than solid from an economic level is fine, again when backed up with facts. I have no delusions that the Sonics Arena will probably be economically neutral as is, but there are other things that for a city like Seattle make sense for having/needing a new arena.
I don’t know. I don’t see the new investor as changing things too much. Yes, he brings more money to the table, but we knew any new ‘bid’ would have more money in it anyway. It still doesn’t change the situation as far as the BOG is concerned. They are still only voting on the H/B/N agreement; nothing more. Questions still remain: why the delay in the ‘arena agreement’, especially if it’s just a ‘fact sheet’? What does changing the ownership dynamic mean as it relate to the arena negotiations? Will the Sac City Council decide to change the public contribution with more private resources entering the picture? Even if they can purchase the team, does this ownership group have to resources to handle cost overuns on the arena side (since I doubt Burkle is going to pay for the whole thing himself) or to even run the team properly? And can ALL of this (and all the issues I haven’t mentioned, which I’m sure there are plenty) be accomplished by April 3rd? I’m sorry, but even if I were a Sacramento apologist, I can’t see it happening. It took us here over a year to get to the point we’re at; I don’t see them catching up in just a few weeks. Too many variables, too many potential obstacles, too little time to take all contingencies into account.
I’m not ready to celebrate just yet, but I’m running out of reasons to tell others not too.
I should say Sacramento has similar reasons for needing a new building, but I don’t know enough of the dynamics the Bay Area/Sac relationship to know the need for an arena or its likely usefulness.
at least we aren’t asking questions like “does anyone know how Bagshaw is leaning” anymore..this is happening. Trust Chris.
My supposition is that Burkle wants a little more in the land department and tax breaks on whatever he builds and the city is unwilling. That is what I would wager a guess. Also, we knew the Kings had to fill in the $75 or so million from the last proposal since they are sort of using the same framework (or at least it was alluded to with the AEG part being taken over by Burkle).
So that Kings portion is really no different in terms of the new guy helping…if they keep the same city contribution amount.
So, a couple posts back there was a discussion on not offending Sacramento fans. I understand the intent. The reality is if we bowed to them on a daily schedule they still will see us as trolls, robbers, hateful, etc. There isn’t a thing we can do to make them like us. They are going to dislike us probably for decades. It is the way it is.
Most of us would have preferred a team that was an expansion. It is not going to happen so we are going to have to relocate a team. It is what we are dealt. I don’t see any reason to go to a Sacramento website and make disparaging remarks ever.
We are going to be considered no better than we think of some OKC people. Not all, but those who invaded Sonics websites with their garbage starting from the first day the sale of the Sonics was announced. It really got bad just before the move happened. I don’t ever want us to be that way. There are even Thunder fans who invade Seahawk’s ESPN forum to this day. None of that is necessary.
OK, they are so if Sactown gets a YES From the BOG simply because of the Indian guy (and still no arena deal)..does that make them the odds on favorite to get Sim Bhullar in a couple years?..come on
Maybe Chris and Ballmer should add another whale..two can play that game..of course that would be RIDICULOUS.
This just seems so as someone else said, “ham fisted”
But what do we know…
I understand and respect what you guy’s are talking about. I do lack that discipline however. Now I don’t go over to StR or the SacBee and run my mouth(keyboard), but when folks do go out of their way to come here and flap their pie holes, I do like to banter with them. Like I said, my discipline is lacking. I have played basketball since I was 6 and I am now 34 and yapping in your opponents ear was, and is a norm. The game of basketball has a culture of bantering with one another. None of this stuff is personal. No one here is telling “Your mama’s fat” jokes. I do agree that poking fun at Kings fans efforts to save their team is a little bit low, but hey, why do Sonics fans have to temper our feelings when we have been told for 7 years now that we didn’t support our team and we did nothing to save them. Sonics fans are mad, let them vent. I don’t know, thats just my opinion.
April 3 is the date when this is going to be decided. If Sacramento resubmits a counter-offer and their presentation on April 3 is tight, thorough, well thought out, then they absolutely have a strong chance of convincing Stern to tell the BOG/committee to be in favor of Sacramento on April 18 or 19 and vote to reject the Hansen bid. Stern will not leave the window open for Sacramento after April 3. Either they have their sh*! together by that date or they don’t. He gave them their chance, he’s not going to allow any more delays or efforts rushing the NBA in this decision with last minute appeals and arguments.
If Chris Hansen blows away the NBA with his presentation on April 3 and how ready Seattle and King County are for the NBA to return, and Sacramento’s presentation is still full of unknowns, it’s going to be decided at the end of that day.
EJ, U obviously make some great points but it’s naïve to think you can expect everyone to toe the line and keep things civil. It’s like going to any sporting event there are people who are loud and over the top with their enthusiasm and others who are more reserved!
also, would love to see the Space Needle decorated for the Sonics on April 3.
This is how I feel as well. When someone breaks into your house, you can legally stab them in the face. Let them bitch about us in their house. If we don’t hear it, who cares?
Sacramento can’t get a YES vote. The BOG is only voting on Seattle.
Our pal at Field of Schemes says Sac plan based on “bizarro math”.
http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2013/03/22/4772/new-sacramento-arena-plan-based-on-bizarro-math-failed-yankees-parking-garages/
You do have to hand it to Neil over there. He keeps consistent on his view point and at least researches everything.
Why exactly must Chris blow away anyone on April 3rd?
The league already knows everything about the group, market and arena and the only thing new will be the nummber of people who signed on for the ticket waiting list.
That’s going to be nice, but nothing that will change anything, as the current Seattle package is already strong on every part.
The only ones trying to prove something are the folks from Sacramento, as they try to put something together that convinces the BOG to vote against Hansen, Ballmer and Seattle.
BTW: Changing topics a bit.
The 2nd day of the tournament starts right now with Duke vs Albany.
Also, there’ll be world cup qualifiers today and next Tuesday, with team USA being in a pretty tough spot.
As for “my” German team, we’re going to play Kazakhstan twice.
Today we’ll be in Kazakhstan and without our two strikers Miro Klose and Mario Gomez, as well as our normal starting center backs Holger Badstuber and Mats Hummels. Also, I think Marco Reus will be suspended thanks to his 2nd yellow card.
Though, I don’t mind us playing without Gomez, as he doesn’t really fit our style of play and it will be interesting to see how we’ll do without a real attacker(guy that is solid in the air) against a defensive minded team.
We’ll most likely play a 4-2-3-1 system with those guys.
———————————Neuer——————————-
-Lahm———Boateng——-Mertesacker—-Schmelzer-
————————-Khedira—-Schweinsteiger————-
-Müller————————-Özil———————Podolski-
———————————-Götze——————————-
Those four up front will certainly rotate throughout the whole game.
How do you guys(I know there are some soccer fans here) think your guys will be doing? And how do you like Klinsmann and his work so far?
I wonder what things beside the deals are going to come into play with this. I am sure the BOG will be looking at all the other factors as well besides just the valuations and the arena stuff (although i still think this is either yes or no for Seattle but who knows with the way this has been handled). There could be a myriad of things at play that we don’t even know about or haven’t totally considered.
Exactly. And with the added revelation that there are now concerns about the parking revenue and the whole back-filling of the general fund, I truly can not see anything being pulled out of…a hat in order to clear all of these concerns up by 4/1. I’ve seen our King County Council in action; if Sac City is anything similar, these types of issues don’t get forced thru that quickly. Again, too many things to consider in too short a time.
Saw that this morning. That’s worse than Clay Bennett’s plan for Renton. Under his plan the majority of tax money wouldn’t have been available till Century Link Field was paid off. However it would have been a solid revenue stream.
Did anyone watch the video from the field of schemes link? They show a close up of the arena and, to be honest, I’m not sure what’s going on there. It appears to be wrapped in some kind of Barclays Center-esque weave on top, and then it looks like there’s some kind of cage below that.
I know Klinsmann is getting bad pub right now, but that is because he is dong an entire top down system change. So basically the old guard are upset they can’t just sit back and try to counter attack like they used to do. It might be an okay style for now since the team is pretty mediocre in comparison to elite level teams, but I think it will have to change. Apparently at the academy level and the Under-23 level he is instituting drastic change which I think will be a net positive in the future. The US will qualify in all likelihood but probably as number 3 (and I hope not 3.5). But I think the changes will be visible in a few years when the young influx of talent is ready.
I think the Sac council is in lock step with keeping the Kings in town no matter what. Even with the new members. Too be honest, it seems like they care more about the short term of being the group that saved the Kings than anything that might happen long term (not saying things will be bad long term, just that they are more interested in the short term it appears). Could be wrong though as I don’t know much about them other than what I have read.
I just read this…all I can say is wow if that were the case.
I was wondering how doing their parking revenue themselves was going to fly. If they were leasing it out, they had the guaranteed money (provided they had a buyer). Now their projections are based on VERY optimistic projections. Who is responsible for the backfill when the parking revenue doesn’t meet expectations?
One request for everyone. Something that bugs me on a daily basis.
When quoting a long post, you don’t have to quote the ENTIRE thing all the time. Select the part that sums up what you’re replying to and delete the rest. Quoting long a$$ posts over Andy over really cluttered up the page and makes for tons of scrolling on cell phones. Thanks.
Wow. If that’s truly the case, I actually feel sorry for anyone in Sacramento who ISN’T a Kings or sports fan. As much as I’m annoyed by guys like Licata with Seattle City Council or von Reichbauer with the County, they do force due diligence to get the process done properly. Sac would seem to be taking the stance of “Hey, we’ve screwed over our infrastructure for the next generation and we’re in debt up to our necks, but HEY! The Kings are still here!”
Not that it’s going to work, but it’s a questionable position for any public official.
April 3rd can’t get here soon enough. One way or another, this should be over.
Well, so he’s pretty much doing the same thing he did while coaching the German National Team.
It will be interesting to see how much time he’ll be given by USSoccer, especially if things aren’t looking so bright.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more-sports/bondy-klinsmann-world-trouble-article-1.1295768
I know he has a great resume but I am holding out hope. The real problem with the USSF is Sunil Gulati
Stern has played this perfectly to minimize the fall-out once the Kings leave Sac and become the Sonics. A wrong will be righted in the eyes of the public, because nobody really cares after 10 years of hearing about not getting a deal done in Sac between the city and the Maloofs nobody will care to hear about them not having a team anymore.
Great post +1
Chris Daniels on 710KIRO right now.
So it seems like Shabazz Muhammed is already 20 and not 19 years old.
http://tinyurl.com/bpb2sbf
I know about african football players making themselves younger then they are but guys from the US playing basketball?
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-t5Li86dZ894/UUyI220QvKI/AAAAAAAAEnw/GP_2l3AL7dY/s902/sacarena.JPG
Still a fan of the short lived “mini-threads” because of this.
Chris Daniels tried to say how this new guy has inside ties and could leverage them and Brock basically said that is a major reach. I really agree with what Brock said. Just cuz the guy is an “inside” guy doesn’t mean that the BOG wants him over other people or he can pull any favors.
Because he’s currently a minority owner? By that reasoning, doesn’t that make Kheriotis an inside guy as well?
To be fair, though Chris was reporting as a completely news item the whole time. He really didn’t add any opinion to what he said.
That’s what Chris does, despite what some Kings fans try to say.
Sounds like Daniels is appreciated down in Sactown after all. “100% positive reaction at city hall and the Kings game from others”
Interesting…
Rich Green @CTCRich 19 Mar
@ArenaSolution Just had a chat with ILWU member. Rank & File has no idea why the union is objecting to #Sonics Arena in SoDo. @ChrisDaniels5
I don’t really see anything hansen related coming out in the next week.
So this “new” guy is part owner of the Golden State Warriors…am I the only one that thinks the NBA and other owners will have an issue with this? What would the NBA think if Mark Cuban helped the Milwaukee Bucks out? Or Jerry Reinsdorf were to “invest” in the Pacers? If this was ALLOWED Paul Allen would’ve helped out the Sonics
I think I saw an unsubstatntiated tweet that said he has a ‘friend’ on the relocation committee.
He has to sell off his shares before he can do anything. You can NOT be part owner of two teams.
Ryan Lillis @Ryan_Lillis 3m
#Sacramento city spokeswoman says #NBAKings #arena term sheet still not finalized
If not finalized today, the earliest they can be brought to council is next thursday correct? because it needs to be posted for 72 hours
Well those are majority owners. Either way, I don’t really buy into the “in the club already” mentality that has been projected over this who fiasco. I just wonder how this would all play into the politics of things. It isn’t as if Ballmer or the Nordstroms aren’t connected to people. Hell the Nordstroms were once minority owners so you could say they have just as much clout as this guy since they were in the club and had no control over their portion of things.
The Wizards owner. Still, Ballmer is friends with Paul Allen and even if he is not on the committee it isn’t like he couldn’t just make a call to everyone. That part is overblown. I think I just disproved it with the fact that the Nordstroms were already minority owners of an NBA team. They could be considered in the club since they had no decision in selling the Sonics.
Maybe, but the council meets every Tuesday so they would need to have a special session I would think (not out of the question just don’t know if they could get all the members there with that and this isn’t something you want to spring on the council without being sure they all can be there).
How could a minority owner of a team invest in another team. Yes, he would have to sell his shares, but how long does that take. The NBA would see this as desperation or a stall tactic. No?
I’ve posted this a bunch of times on here. I have a good friend that’s a longshoreman. He says nobody cares much and it’s just a handful of people believing the scare rumors. It’s 100% political and from up high.
Can we sign this guy? Just sayin
http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/03/22/nate-robinson-dunk-chicago-bulls-portland-trail-blazers-nba/2008403/
Couldn’t they just all go and tell the representation to stop wasting our dues on this and pursue ways to mitigate the supposed fears? I am not sure how the ILWU is structured or works though.
Prob not with I Thomas
Re: The tone of discourse - Though frankly, I don’t personally care how Sacramento fans see me (they will hate us even if we are sympathetic; see what happens every time one of us says, in a neutral place, that we understand the side of the fence that they are on), if that’s what the folks who run this blog want, I am more than happy to try to comply.
Re: Ranadive being connected: He’s buds with Wizards owner and Relo-committee member Ted Leonsis according to Chris Daniels on the radio today, but honestly, these guys are all so connected that I don’t think any of this matters. For example (and for counterpoint), we have known for years that Stern has wanted Ballmer in the league as a major owner. I don’t think that necessarily matters here either.
I tend to agree with this. We know that the league has at various points wanted Ballmer and Burkle. We know that the Nordstroms were and the this Vivek Radiwhatever guy is current minority owners. We know that Mastrov tried to buy a team. We know that Hansen has bought a team and apparently has connections somehow that got to the Blazers and Heat brass to get LeBron to visit his dying fan. it isn’t as if the Seattle guys are relative unknowns and the Sac dudes are going to happy hour at McCormick and Schmick’s with the BOG shooting oysters every Friday.
Good point.
I actually kind of like the beach one.
Chris Daniels @ChrisDaniels5 14m
As of this AM, there is no arena term sheet in #Sacramento. No timetable on when it may post, according to multiple people I talked with.
I’m responding to Silvio’s comment to me about why Chris Hansen needs to blow the NBA away with his April 3 presentation.
SuperSonic fans, we think this is a big deal and we know the minutia behind what is going on for the most part between the two bids out of Seattle and Sacramento for the Kings. No one else, including the majority of the BOG owners is following this as closely as we are. So the only glimpse of truth and professionalism and depth/substance to each bid and the status on the arena plans from each City is going to be on April 3.
I don’t think the BOG cares about Seattle and let’s face it, we love Sonicsgate, I can’t think that David Stern or Clay Bennett are too fond of it so there is some “stuff” there between what happened in Seattle five years ago on both sides.
We are so lucky to have Chris Hansen because he’s not allowing anything to be stuck in the past with his offer, he’s focusing only on the future and getting an NBA team back into Seattle. That’s why I think his presentation has to be awesome — because this is the only chance he has to speak to the entire committee and powers that be in the NBA to make Seattle’s case and extend the olive branch. I don’t think we can just assume “NBA wants back in Seattle” because I didn’t get the impression the NBA owners cared much at all when they approved the relocation to OKC — as evidenced by the almost unanimous approval for relocation.
They are not paying attention to tweets by Chris Daniels or mud-slinging by Sacramento fans, they think/remember Seattle politicians said no to Clay Bennett and David Stern and that is why Chris Daniels has to show them times have changed and that we are serious and intent on getting the SuperSonics back.
Or… all this is already done, and there’s no need to make another public statement until after the BOG.
” I don’t think we can just assume “NBA wants back in Seattle” because I didn’t get the impression the NBA owners cared much at all when they approved the relocation to OKC — as evidenced by the almost unanimous approval for relocation. ”
Your entire post assumes emotion matters. It doesn’t. This is a business transaction, nothing more.
“that is why Chris Daniels has to show them times have changed and that we are serious and intent on getting the SuperSonics back.”
Chris Hansen, not Daniels … the people in ownership and the terms of the offer speaks louder to the BOG than anything he could say during the presentation. Again, emotion is meaningless in this context. There are no grudges or scores to settle here.
Well, bring it on then. Would love to see an updated rendition of the inside with players benches, scoreboard, and maybe even a way to get to and from the rings.
There is one thing that will be coming out before the BOG meeting is the #’s of our wait list.
SEATTLE IS NOTHING LIKE SACRAMENTO! HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST SUCH A THING?!? YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW SO LITTLE WE CAN JUST IGNORE YOU!!
…it kinda looks like that…
Too bad we don’t have an Indian investor with our group, since apparently the nba wants something to do with India. I guess we’ve lost then. Back to work people.
I reached out to the Space Needle when I was volunteering for SOS. I never received a reply. I feel they may just run with the front runners.
Sacramento hating us either way doesn’t give us carte blanche to act like jerks to them.
This is so true. Now I’m sure the Maloofs are a very large part of the problem because we know Kings fans are great and the city has been willing to work with them. For those who aren’t familiar with the issue only know that the NBA has been trying for a decade to get an arena in Sacramento. You couple that with that fact that Sacramento isn’t a city that resonates outside of California and there’s going to be nothing but apathy from the nation on the issue.
Seattle was given a coupel years at best and no realistic options for an arena and it was relatively well documented nationally that Clay Bennett straight up screwed us. Add to that the fact that Seattle is a better known city and there was some national empathy as well as apathy for our situation.
I’m not saying we deserve the Kings more than Sacramento or anything like that, I’m just deciphering the national reactions to the issue.
It’s Friday and we’re one day closer to April 19th!!!
I’m not sure if I mentioned it already… I don’t like Shabazz.
I don’t think the Sonicsgate aspect will be a negative to our situation.
I agree about Hansen and Ballmer though. While we’ve spent half a decade spitting venom at the NBA (deservedly so) for the past they have been professional and forward looking. If not for their ability to look forward and develop a respectful and professional relationship with the NBA we would not be in such great shape to receive a team. They are very wise to the workings of major corporations and governments, we are fans who get caught up in both lol.
Yeah my bad, I meant “Hansen”.
I didn’t make my point very well — David Stern and Clay Bennett I sincerely doubt feel a whole lotta love for the City of Seattle. David Stern made it clear Sacramento has until April 3 to come up with a strong competing bid. David Stern made it clear he will advise the BOG on what to do.
The BOG is going to pay attention to what Stern tells them to do and what they see and hear from Chris Hansen on April 3 remembering that they voted almost unanimously to leave the Seattle market for the OKC market five years ago.
I’m curious about the scoreboard in the new arena. The arena is relatively narrow and tall, especially considering the upper rings. I feel like the scoreboard will have to be relatively narrow and raised in order to not block the views from the rings. I haven’t been to a ton of NBA Arenas though so I’m not too familiar.
Stern will not tell the BOG to vote against the sale if he does than he retires as a person that screwed seattle TWICE. He has clearly state he will leave it up to the BOG to decide.
ILWU may be a union, but it’s more so a business. A big business that does work with the Port of Seattle. Big businesses work with their businesses interests in mind. They don’t care what their worker force thinks. ILWU in this case is mainly an extension of the Port. That’s what this is. Strictly political. Not a worker uprising.
I’ve wondered the same. Looking at the rendering of the view from the lowest Ring, it appears that from the higher ones the scoreboard could obstruct the view. Can’t wait to see some renderings with the scoreboard in place.
Yes and he also clearly stated he will advise (tell) them what do do.
Now I think Stern will advise to approve the Seattle deal given how long Hansen has been working to bring this together versus Sacramento and I am pretty sure that will be the end result. I’m sure Hansen will put together a killer presentation on April 3, to seal the deal, not leaving anything to chance by assuming its already in the bag no matter what happens or doesn’t happen out of Sacramento before April 3.
Or it could not and perhaps this was only a rendering where they removed the scoreboard.
There will be significant changes when they show the next interior design. For both basketball and Hockey configurations cause they didn’t show the score table for basketball and the benches/penalty box for hockey in the initial rendering the showed.
You think they could go with something non traditional for that as well? It isn’t as if the scoreboard couldn’t be placed somewhere else if the layout is different. Then again, you could lose a lot of seats going with that format.
What kind of reaction do you think the BOG would have if at this point the Seattle ownership group announced that Chris Hansen was no longer planning on being the majority owner but instead we were replacing him with some guy from India? And, oh by the way, Steve Ballmer is only interested in being a part of the arena deal. I think the whole deal would be DOA at the NBA.
Then he would be going against of what he said before that he will leave it to the BOG to decide. He said that publicly that he will let the BOG decide. Telling them what to do IS NOT letting the BOG decide. He wants to leave with out getting any blame for the Kings leaving and the Hansen’s deal not getting approved. Telling the BOG’s what to do will not exactly help with that.
I’ve voiced this concern many times, but it’s never really responded to.
I doubt the next rendering reveal will be the same as the early design.
lol I know the feeling. Sorry I missed you writing it myself. Maybe the scoreboard will be angled more than normal?
Some of you guys really don’t get it. When we ask our own to be civil and not obnoxious punks, it had very little to do with Sac fans feelings. It’s about holding ourselves to a higher standard. About self respect and not looking like a bunch of hypocrites. You don’t have to care about Sac fans at all. Even if not a single one read this site, we should still aim to be civil.
FYI, my post today had nothing to do with Sac fans feelings. It was mostly because reading such crap annoys ME. And i know for a fact that a lot of other fans feel the same way. It’s obnoxious reading a handful of your own fans make the fan base as a whole look ignorant and classless. You might not care about the feelings of Sacramento fans. But many of US do care about how we appear as a fan base and site. And beyond that, are tired of reading such hypocrisy. We lived through the other side with OKC. Anyone who says this kind of crap and doesn’t get how they look, is missing the point entirely.
Sac could still vote on this thing Tuesday. The 72 hour window does include weekends. The law that lays out the 72 hour window also refers specifically to “regular meetings”, which has led McCann to speculate if it doesn’t apply to emergency or expedited meetings. I think it’d be a tough political move to just vote on it and ram it through without any time to consider it, but it’s all still possible at this point.
So how much do you think it will change? Do you think they’ll change enough to actually give up on the rings thing, or is that too big of a detail to get rid of? I think they almost “have to” do this, since there is a lack of building space. They had to shoehorn in quest because of this as well. Yea, I know, I still call it quest.
You’d think maybe he’d just buy a little wider of a space, but it looks like the railroads would be in the way.
I doubt that it will be posted by Tuesday.
Shirey said that he wouldnt force the council to make a fast decision. If it isnt out by today I highly doubt that its voted on Tuesday. He even said if it had to be voted on April 2nd that it wouldnt be the end of the world.
I found this quote from a poster on Field of Schemes interesting and was wondering if anyone knew this or could corroborate it.
“Per California law, a large percentage of the parking (the on site metered kind) cannot be monetized this way.
When this was brought up before (term sheet 1), it was explained as “Oh we’ll get that law changed”.
This new deal, which offers even less parking because of the destruction of parking at the proposed site, hasn’t seem to addressed this very important issue.
I hope the NBA BOG and their observers are cognizant of this very real legal hurdle.”
Anyone hear about this issue with monetizing the parking on a large scale?
And ramming down with out any time to review would be illegal and those against it will challenging it to get it tossed in the courts.
EJ is 100% right. Try to keep it civil, folks. We don’t need to dissect every bit of minutiae coming out of Sacto. I’ve been guilty of this at times too, but EJ is right. They are losing their team and we have every reason to be sympathetic.
I’m speaking only in the strictest sense of theoretical possibility. They COULD push this out and vote on it still, and based on what we’ve seen of the “sure whatever KJ” city council, it wouldn’t surprise me if the limits of law and procedure are the only things that might impede them from doing whatever it takes to get something done.
I’m going to do some digging into the parking monetization, trolltossin.
No, I got it. In fact, I said that if that is the concern of the folks running this blog, then I am more than happy to follow along. I really don’t care about some “higher standard” that is related to a sports team, of all things. But if the people running this blog care, I will have to care, I suppose.
I think, speaking of discourse, you should watch your own words. I don’t appreciate your rudeness, frankly, in telling me what I do and do not get. Furthermore, no, I don’t really have your same values regarding how I should look and what lofty standard that you think is personally important. Does that matter? Not really, as long as I follow the rules and post here. The last thing I want to hear is a lecture from some dude on the internet about what standards of internet commentary on a sports team that I hold myself to, however. Thanks for your response.
If I remember correctly, there are restrictions on how much rates can increase over a specified time period, but haven’t heard anything about not being able to monetize certain types. Who really knows how the parking thing is going to work at all at this point other than some nebulous non-profit structure.
That’s the thing they want to avoid doing. If they try to go against what law and procedures state the whole deal can potentially get tossed in the courts.
Here is what I found in their old arena plan:
2. Under current California law, parking meter revenue and operations cannot be included in the monetization. Meter revenues may only be expended on maintenance, safety and security of the rights-of-way, and parking facilities or garages (including debt). Staff is exploring the viability of using parking meter revenue to refinance the above referenced tax-exempt debt on garages with new taxable debt, which is a permissible use of the funds.
So essentially what they were proposing at the time, was that they would pay off a debt they were allowed to pay off with parking revenues and use the funds they would have used to pay off that other debt to fund the arena. Basically, they want to try to dance around some legal loopholes and push a bunch of paper around to skirt existing law, which could very well be vulnerable to a lawsuit.
I would just rather not even talk about Sac fans or the city. I do think the arena plan and the media are fair game though. I won’t feel guilty about the team leaving and I frankly won’t ever think about Sacramento again unless some Kings fans go to games like Jason Reid did (and that would only be for a moment). This mainly comes from living in Baltimore now where people were pissed about the Colts leaving, got another team and then moved on. It is the way it is and the NBA made that clear enough.
In other news… Wisconsin just got knocked out by Ole Miss.
And Sacramento doesn’t want lawsuit to happen this close to the BOG meetings. Stern may not cared about the lawsuits against our arena but a lawsuit challenging it based on the legality of the political process and law requirements on how that process has to happen could offer a different opinion from Stern.
2. Under current California law, parking meter revenue and operations cannot be included in the monetization. Meter revenues may only be expended on maintenance, safety and security of the rights-of-way, and parking facilities or garages (including debt). Staff is exploring the viability of using parking meter revenue to refinance the above referenced tax-exempt debt on garages with new taxable debt, which is a permissible use of the funds.
That is from the previous arena plan. So they want to try to use the parking revenue to pay off one debt, then use the funds they were going to originally use to pay that debt to fund the arena, all to skirt California law. Sounds like a risky move.
And if that potential to be tossed in courts is there the NBA will honor that potential outcome and use it in their answer as to why the Kings are moving.
Well I’ve tried to explain twice what it appears their move is going to be with information from their last arena plan, but the blog keeps eating my posts. So screw it.
What I find annoying on this blog is people’s concern over what these Bruski and Dave guys write. I haven’t once read anything of theirs and I don’t go to Sacramento fan sites. I can’t believe people still care what these guys write or continue to be surprised/annoyed/angry/upset by it.
I don’t care what is said in Sacramento or from Sacramento as long as it’s not here. I don’t go to their forums and they seem to have the respect not to come here. If you go looking for trouble on the other side you’re going to get it. Just stay away from the other side. There’s no reason to do otherwise imo.
http://sacramento.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?meta_id=377142&view=&showpdf=1
Follow that link and read point #2 on page 3.
I think it’s reasonable to get upset with Bruski, or perhaps more rightfully ProBasketball Talk, because he is the sole person covering this story on a nationally read, NBC sports sponsored, basketball news site.
Seeking out Carmichael Dave and getting worked up about the incendiary things an incendiary person says is like touching a hot stove for the 7th time and just being livid that it would dare burn you.
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@CT_BallHawk @ThaRealDanimal yes, I think that certainly could be part of their planning. It would also give the NBA less time to vet it.interesting
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@BringBackSonics @CT_BallHawk yea but that wouldn’t be a good thing…nba wants time to review a deal of this magnitude..atleast 3weeks
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@KiloManImFly @ct_ballhawk I don’t think the NBA would like that. SAC may be hoping that the less time NBA has; less holes they can find.
Chat on twitter thinks that why the deal wasn’t revealed yesterday was perhaps done intentionally to give NBA less time to Vet it.
I agree with the last tweet post the NBA doesn’t like to be rushed when it comes to vetting.
So to sum up what Sac’s proposal to avoid California law limits on the spending of parking revenues from their last arena proposal (we do not know if they plan to do the same in this instance) or if perhaps law has changed that we are not aware of:
It would be illegal to use parking revenues to fund anything besides maintenance, parking garages, etc., so they will use the parking revenue to pay off debts on parking garages, which IS legal, and use the funds they would have used to pay towards the parking garage debts towards the arena. Basically, money laundering.
OK, this is the sort of textual proof of this issue that I was looking for. Therefore, what are their options here? To overturn this state law? To somehow funnel the parking money into the arena plan through that private dummy corporation that the arena plan sets up? Or am I way off on this?
Oops, I guess that I should post more quickly! Thanks for the succinct explanation, Sean!
I can’t possibly see any reason Sacramento would intentionally hold off on releasing anything unless it’s not ready. Not giving the NBA time to go over your proposal makes it LESS likely to be approved. The NBA BOG is made up of intelligent people who make difficult decisions often with huge stakes. They know to look over something well, not rush.
so they cannot use metered parking for this (unless maybe for road/traffic issues it looked like) AND they have to immediately pay out $52 million for the loss of tax exemption. That last part is a doozy .
Sean explained this much better it seems.
I glossed over that when I just ctrl+f’d the thing. It’s going to be interesting to see what’s down in writing if/when this new term sheet is released. There is going to have to be a lot of shuffling of moneys around, I wonder how legal some of it will be. I know I would be worried if our plan hinged on “no no no that money isnt being used for that, it’s being used for this, and the money we were gonna use for this is being used for that” as our legal defense. I’d be terrified of a lawsuit challenging that. Imagine that in the hands of the ILWU, etc.
That’s the opposite of what the NBA wants.
Indeed. If the deal has holes it in it wouldn’t help their case they are in tight space regardless.
If we’re going to be posting twitter gossip, can we at least narrow it down to credible sources and not @BringBackSonics?
Sorry. i’ll stop doing that.
sacramento would prefer the NBA have less time? are you kidding, thats seriously one of the dumbest things I’ve read in a while.
Like the NBA would just say “well, we’re short on time so we’ll just peruse it and do a quick hatchet job vetting it.”
No, they would say “sorry, there’s not enough time to vet this properly. Better luck next time.”
You can save the tough guy talk, dude. Seriously now. I quoted your post as an example, but I wasn’t addressing you personally. So don’t get so defensive. You were the 3rd person I read in this thread excuse obnoxious behavior by saying “I don’t have to care about Kings fans feelings.” That’s a foolish excuse. Sorry if you disagree. You say you care about following the will of this site. I’ve posted here a long time and have met a lot of these guys personally, Brian included. Trust me when i tell you they feel MUCH more as I do than you. Not to mention a good majority of the users. I’m sorry if you took it personally. Tone doesn’t translate online. I was just passing along some helpful suggestion. Sorry if i didn’t mince words while doing so. There was nothing personal about it. Sean said it best. We don’t have to Cate about Sac. But that doesn’t mean we have to be dicks.
You guy’s are laying waaaaayyy too many rules for these comment sections….LOL. It’s getting that USSMariner.com vibe here. I don’t think that’s Brian’s and companies intention with this site
Why would they “have to”…are you assuming they didn’t know the dimensions of the building when they did the original rendering? I am pretty sure they have their own theories on how to deal with the scoreboard issue…one thing people should remember is that in this day of flat screen video boards…a scoreboard is much smaller than the one that was in the Key. Look how thin the board is in Alaska Airlines Arena…
Don’t be a dick is too harsh a rule?
Another post stuck in moderation! Happening a ton lately, Kevin.
I think EJ’s point is why would you choose to be a hypocrite? Why would you choose to do the same exact things that made you so mad in the first place? It has literally nothing to do with Sacramento or their fans…it has to do with why you don’t hold yourself to the same standards you held others when it was damaging to you?
Who is the KOMO news reporter who made the comment (RT’d by Bruski) about how much more transparent about things the SAC group is being compared to the Seattle group?
Isn’t that literally 100% the opposite of the truth?
How is having months and months of public commentary on your Arena plan less transparent then a secret term sheet presenting a few days before the vote transparent?
How is bringing in a new owner a few days before a vote transparent?
Hansen has been basically 100% transparent with the entire process…why are media members so stupid?
Is that what it is when your posts just fail to show up now or is it still showing up for you and saying ‘in moderation’?
I remember that former KJ assistant R E Graswich making a few comments about how secretive the Hansen deal and the group in general were.
They think that because KJ and his group have been in the spotlight more, it means they’re revealing more. When the truth is, Hansen and co’s cards are on the table, they don’t need to be in the news every week.
Yeah, I saw his tweet and not sure why he said that. Who knows though. I think he is using this as his form of self promotion and getting more followers….
When you appoint yourself supreme arbiter of dickishness and decide that things that specifically offend you should be off-limits, too harsh might not be appropriate- but we can all write our own blogs if what we want to do is dictate content.
Can anyone tell me one thing about the group? The Arena? The offer? They have literally put zero cards on the table
I’ve seen a lot more in-fighting about how to act than I have seen people being particularly antagonistic towards Sacramento the past day or so. I actually thought with something to actually talk about, the talk about Sacramento was more on point and less personal than usual.
Seattle or Sacramento?
Sacramento…give me any details about their situation
Fact: they have three whales.
I think some people are getting way to sensitive around here? I didn’t appreciate okies coming on Sonicscentral and mocking us but I took it and assumed it was a vocal minority. I look at STR but don’t post there. I see nothing wrong with coming on a Seattle SuperSonic blog and dissecting the situation and sometimes a little harshly! If the Sactown folks are seeking out this site and are offended too bad!!! I lost my innocence 5 years ago!
Again…as long as you never said anything bad about how the OKC fans acted you can say you’re not a hypocrite…if you did then you’re just being a huge hypocrite. Most people don’t like to be hypocrites
Until yesterday they had two…who knows what will happen next Friday
Lemme see…
They have Mastrov and Ranadive, and Burkle in an ambiguous role. They have a vague, unofficial arena plan, using recycled renderings, that may use parking funds and will need an undisclosed amount of public money. They have made an offer that is lower than Hansen’s by an unnamed amount. That’s about all I got.
So what’s the latest with Sac’s arena term sheet? Since they didn’t meet yesterday’s deadline, are they are going to take their time and nothing will be announced today? That would shoot their 72 hour deadline for Tuesday. Are they really going to string this out until the day before the BOG meeting on April 3rd?
After watching this go down I can look back on the Clay Bennett purchase and just imagine how Stern convinced Schultz to sell to Clay. Schultz probably was told an out of state buyer with a real threat of relocation is what it would take to keep the team the in Seattle. Howie wanted out anyway, and bought in to the plan. Wow. Stern is a genius. To think though that all of this is caused by keeping a team in a market that can’t even really support them? If I’m a Kings fan I’m looking back to the Hornets not being allowed to stay in OKC as when the events that lead to the Kings leaving Sac started.
His point sure does assume a whole lot. I personally avoided the NBA and all NBA message boards as soon as Schultz sold ‘em to the carpet-baggers. If OKC people wanted to gloat, let ‘em. I’m not holding them to some lofty standard. It’s not like I was gracious about their team losing in the NBA Finals last year. If Durant bolts for NYC, I’m certainly not going to be gracious about it.
So frankly, I’m not being a hypocrite at all when I marvel at how deluded StR’s posters seem to be about their newest “whale.” I don’t even see why we are arguing about this. I have lurked here to get something of a vibe for how the blog works, but I definitely did not get a USSM/Lookout Landing “hostile clique of posters” vibe. If I missed this in my lurking, I apologize.
Amen, …just try to not be stupid about post. i look at StR but never post. I know I have made a few sarcastic remarks but never intentionally derogatory about sactown or fans down there. As a matter do fact, I have never done so to OKC fans either.
I just don’t so much see where it’s the place of anyone not with their name above the website title to moderate an opinion forum, or get extremely offended by the contents therein. (And the community seems effective at policing things that are actually somewhat universally offensive, like the racial comments yesterday.)
Even if you are offended, the idea that rather allow for differing viewpoints that might not please YOU, or people like YOU, you’d rather homogenize the conversation for everyone so that you aren’t compromised… well, you can have that conversation too. Grab a mirror.
It’s words on a screen, people. And none of ours affect this process in the slightest.
In bracket news…lots of upsets today (at least by seed). Appears that La Salle i going to run Kansas State out of the gym.
Too many rules like Safeco Field! lol.
Sac fans can thank the Sonics drafting Shawn Kemp as the origins of losing their team. (Which led to McIlvane, Vin Baker, lock out, booze,Shultz,hurricane Kat,
Or it’s just his perspective on the situation.
Really this all started in 1967. If Seattle never got an expansion team, the Kings would be staying in Sacramento.
I think this has its roots back in the invention of basketball itself, if not the dawn of man.
This sounds like it will be the next Dan Brown novel. David Stern ambushing former owners and branding them with symbols of the teams they stole from other cities….
Damn you, Naismith!
I am all for open discussion. Part of open discussion is providing reminders to each other to be classy. I do not think that engaging in a bunch of back and forth bickering with Kings fans on their sites or this one is productive and have seen how it degenerates. If it happens to the point that it interferes with other people’s ability to have good, fun conversations around basketball then we will nip it in the bud.
I liked the way we have been setting up hoops related posts at the same time we have a separate thread discussion around relocation. I am fairly sure that when the relocation is approved I am going to have a “no sacramento/relocation conversation” rule in the main threads and a dedicated place to have conversation. What do you guys think for the time being about having designated “Sac-Free Threads” that are clearly identified and we moderate out any discussion about it so that the people in those forums can concentrate on basketball without having to deal with all the relocation crap?
I think it has been working well since that one HEat game thread and with yesterdays NCAA thread. It is nice to have a focus rather than have to hop between thought processes.
I like this idea, as well as the idea about having a relocation thread even after the deed is officially done on the 18th. I’m one of those posters that likes to see how the sausage is made, and the politics and finances behind both plans fascinates me immensely. It will be nice to still have a place to talk about that (for a little while, at least) after the BOG makes its decision.
I think that’s a good idea, Brian. It would be cool if we had two parallel columns on the front page, one for game threads, the other for relocation threads. With only one column, whichever blog post is on top ends up being the primary place for discussion for all topics. If there were two topics on top, I think that would happen less.
Exactly. Why do we even have to engage them? We KNOW it is going to spiral out of control eventually. It serves no purpose at this point.
I like Sac-Free threads. Lets do it.
lol, I just want the ability to post pictures, instead of links. Also, an edit button. That’s like having my cake, and eating it.
There IS a tournament thread up now btw
t’s not about not being allowed to talk about Sac. That’s perfectly cool. We all do it. It’s belittling them and openly taking enjoyment in mocking every little thing they do. Snickering as they try to do exactly what we tried to do. That’s bush league. If you genuinely think Brian wants this site to be about that, go ahead. If you think that’s what most of us Sonics fans want to look like, feel free to continue to be exactly what we hated 5 years ago. Your move.
Sean thank you for the analysis of the parking situation. That is what I thought it was pretty much money laundering. The city is screwing itself in the long run and may add to the fact that this is all for show to set up something to work out in the long run. There is no way that opposition groups aren’t licking their chops right now at tearing this down before it starts.
The NBA is going to look at it and think well I guess their arena could happen if they convince the lawmakers to change the law which will open a pandoras box in California and give every city the bright idea of setting up shell corporations to borrow from for more money based off parking. Thats a huge hole in my opinion and that is without even looking at a term sheet. Should be nice to see. I wonder if they are waiting because they know that there are legal holes in this and they want the time frame to be small before they vote on the Hansen deal hoping that the NBA will ignore state regulations and such. If they only give a handful of days it may take time for lawsuits to be filed as they may not even be ‘ripe’ yet since they are in the infant stages. The city manager says the arena wouldnt be ready until the 2016 season. I highly doubt that it could be done that quickly. Lawsuits will be slowing that thing down. A broke city attempting to monetize something that cannot be monetized for that purpose. This is all for show and the NBA will know that. Heck I could see them saying the day before we have a term sheet ready to be voted on hoping the NBA holds up its decision until the 18th and not make it on the 3rd.
Sorry Im running out of reasons in my mind to think this isnt over and all that is being done is long term posturing. Look at their lead investor Ranadive, he is risking nothing and at worst stays a minority owner and if the league goes against us he hits a grand slam and becomes a controlling partner. This is all for show and who knows if Ranadive doesnt have alternate motives like gaining support from Kinsg fans and when the team moves hoping those same fans cheer for his team that is based in that region. Who knows….All I know is that we are less than two weeks away from the meeting that matters in terms of making cases. We may not know the answer but I think deep down we do already know the outcome
What do you think this is, Google+?
And real time updating, since my reload button is getting worn out.
This is exactly the truth. In a domino effect way the Sonics relocating to okc and the Kings to Seattle is a result of Hurricane Katrina.
Where do I talk about Free Agency and Draft picks? lol
At OKC’s site or when they invaded RealGM/SeattleTimes/Sonicscentral?
In the Free Agency and Draft threads?
How far do I have to scroll down to get to those.
I understand that decision you ay possibly make on Sacramento discussion after the fact BUT I doubt that most of us will are about talking about a worn out subject. I guess if there is a day that Sacramento is where we are at maybe having the discussion on the side. I think that most of us are spent on this discussion and the only reason we continue it is because the relocation hasnt been approved yet and once it does we will be fully ready to have basketball related discussions only and if it is business related it will be about the Sonics business and not of Sacramento. Just my two cents ………
So connecting the dots this is all because of global warming :) and can be linked back to the industrial revolution and when humanities carbon footprint really started compounding? Freaking industry!!!!! :)
Top of the page, homey. Right below the logo/banner.
I am in favor of different topic threads as long as they are introduced and moderated as such.
The game threads not getting tied up with whale and arena talk is very nice!
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Indeed. Although Key Arena getting renovation, Safeco and Seahawks fiascos, terrible ownerships in Seattle and Charlotte, raising player salaries and other situations all led to the demise.
Remind me why we are NBA fans?
https://twitter.com/kcrabienick/status/315197298772697088/photo/1
Sacramento Journalist and his mapping of arena funding LOL
Yea i laughed at that.
It’s a total win-win scenario for Ranadive. How many people on this board (or in Sacramento) had heard of this guy…or his company…or that fact he was a minority owner of the Warriors prior to last night? Do a google news search on Ranadive and see what kind of exposure he’s getting as a result of this. He’s gone from unknown to “software tycoon.”
For example:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Software-tycoon-Vivek-Ranadive-joins-effort-to-keep-Kings-in-Sacramento-032213
According to David Locke, the NBA plan to keep the Hornets in OKC was a done deal but Shinn reneged on the arrangement and stayed in NO which led to where we are now. So the Shinn was the original sinner (in our small part of the historical timeline - you could go back forever on what lead to what lead to what, etc.).
lol. I tried to not be after the relocation, I just love basketball and the NBA is far and away the best showcase of it.
That’s pretty awesome!
Yeah, I’m addicted too. Like my wife calls it, a hobby. When she says “I hate your hobby you pathetic loser. ” ;)
I didn’t know that! I thought it was the NBA not wanting to leave market in wake of Katrina.
I wonder who allowed him to leak their term sheet
So Shinn leaving Charlotte for New Orleans then demanding on staying following Katrina is the beginning of it all. Let’s all blame Shinn!
I wish we could do it now. Understand why we can’t, obviously. But i don’t think it will be a problem. Most here will be ready for different discussion. The main thing to need moderated will likely be some angry Sac fans who won’t want to let us be happy. It happened with some of our fans and OKC. It will happen again.
Well this does explain why it wasn’t posted yesterday ;)
That’s love!
She is actually a great lady and fan. I now feel bad about making that up.
Is that gonna be part of the presentation?
lol don’t feel bad it was funny.
Well, that was the point of my post. It would be good to have a little info on our arena, and our progress, and plans for Key Arena’s upgrades, etc.
We really are buying an arena. From what I can gather, it’s moving along.
Chris Hansen doesn’t need to do this, be we all should want to have this positive conversation.
I’m just so tired of Sacramento.
Don’t hold your breath. I tried reaching out to them too for a work-related thing about 3 years ago, you have to get on that schedule WAAAAAAY in advance and have your pocketbook open.
No, they’re unrelated to each other. I guarantee David Stern has no feelings one way or the other about the City, sorry but you’re just projecting things on this that don’t and won’t have any basis on the final outcome. You’ll see.
Chris Daniels @ChrisDaniels5 4m
Still no term sheet in Sacramento. Spokesperson for City Manager says arena town halls tonight/tomorrow will go on as planned. #NBAKings
No doubt they’ll try to pass off the public town halls as significant and fair public review once they bust out the term sheet and try to rush it through. It’s crazy how different the political climates are in these two cities.
Great Forum, I very much enjoy reading everything here.
Something that is bothering me that I need some feedback on, and my apologies if this has been asked about already.
But, If this is truly the NBA voting yes or no on the merits of the SEA group, then I have no idea how they can possibly come up with an answer of “NO”. Since SAC has no official offer or agreement with the owners of the Kings, then how are they even allowed to make this the “bidding” war that this has turned out to be? The NBA shouldnt be using any outside information from whatever is happening in SAC to say NO the SEA group. They are voting yes or no on Seattle on April 18th, SAC has no official offer acceptance in place from the Maloofs, so how are they allowed to get in the door at the NBA meetings to present anything? I dont understand that. Is this for charity? I mean seriously, could the NBA say no to Steve Ballmer on the hopes that the Maloofs would sell to the local SAC group? They dont have to sell to anyone if the NBA rejects this.
Also, if it came down to a bidding war, which SAC is having a very hard time matching, why wouldn’t SEA just sweeten the offer? Nobody is going to possibly say no to them offering more $. With their resources already invested in this project, why not just go all the way and make sure that they win this battle. I hear alot about what SAC is trying to do, but little reference made about what SEA could possibly do next. This is not the end game here, I am confident Hansen has another move or two up his sleeve.
I am sure they thought this through with their initial offer, knowing that SAC matching will not pencil out in the SAC marketplace. That is likely why they chose the # that they did. Anyone jumping in to save them in SAC will be taking a loss annually. That takes a might nice whale to be so charitable.
What I dont understand is why the NBA is giving them a seat at the table, when there are no chairs. The Maloofs, Hansen, and the NBA. Those are the only parties who should be heard at this point.
Indeed. Although Key Arena getting renovation, Safeco and Seahawks fiascos, terrible ownerships in Seattle and Charlotte, raising player salaries and other situations all led to the demise.
I think back to 1990, when Ackerley made a deal with the city to build a mostly privately-funded arena for the Sonics and also a hockey team. But then he double-crossed his NHL partners at the last minute and the deal eventually fell apart. So we ended up with the Key renovation, which wasn’t big enough for hockey and proved to be not built to last:
http://www.seattlehockey.net/Seattle_Hockey_Homepage/Seattle_and_the_NHL.html
They’ll have the score digitally imprinted on our eyelids.
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