Friday Thread; Pete Holmes files motion to dismiss ILWU lawsuit

Kudos to @ChrisDaniels5 for his continuing coverage of sale issues.

Today’s news: Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes has filed a motion to dismiss the ILWU’s lawsuit saying the arena plan violates I-91. Arguments were to be heard Feb. 22 in King County Superior Court. Holmes claims the lawsuit “has no merit.” As one who has been following the sorry saga of I-91 since its inception, I must agree.

And like Chris I also have to give a shout out to Sports Illustrated’s @McCannSportsLaw who has been answering questions on the ROFR story since it broke … well, as much of a part of the story you think ROFR can be, anyways. Have a great weekend everyone.

About Xteve

Hi, I'm a musician, producer and songwriter for TV and film in Seattle, WA who's been a Sonic fan since the late 80s-early 90s. My musical adventures can be followed at http://soundcloud.com/xteve. As one of the original "Magnificent 7" authors of Sonicscentral.com, I'm proud to be a part of Sonics Rising. GO SONICS!
This entry was posted in Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink.

222 Responses to Friday Thread; Pete Holmes files motion to dismiss ILWU lawsuit

  1. soundersfan84 says:

    If they (sac) try to challenge the sales agreement good luck trying to convince NBA to approve local ownership.

  2. BarelyAble says:

    So from that updated sacbee article we learn that the limited partners have refused to comment and that the guy in bankruptcy believes he has ROFRcopter. So I think non issue

  3. Sonics4ever says:

    Isn’t Jhande, Traven, Hamsun all one in the same from the Seattle Times’ comment section? Why are we letting this guy post here? Hasn’t he made personal character attacks against Brian Robinson along with numerous other lies?

    • BlueReloaded says:

      Yes, they are all the same persona. I am not sure why the Mods have taken a hands-off approach with him here. I guess they are trying to let him dig his own grave.

  4. Riboflavin says:

    I broke down and read some comments on SacTown Royalty’s latest post, man, do they hate Chris Daniels. I guess it’s only fair, I don’t care for CarpalTunnel Dave either.

    • BarelyAble says:

      But Chris actually is a real reporter and seeks out good sources and answers.

      • Riboflavin says:

        Trust me, I know. Chris Daniels has been breaking facts about this whole thing for almost a year now. It kills me when he’s silent. But it’s worth the wait because he nevers releases fluff. CocnutMichael on the other hand…

    • Gene Hunt says:

      Yeah some posters from SacTown Royalty were giving Chris Daniels sh*t on twitter the past couple of nights.

    • Myk says:

      Why would they hate Chris Daniels? He has done nothing but report the facts…that makes no sense

    • John_S says:

      Chris has played this thing down the middle though. He’s been fair and honest to both the Sac and Seattle crowds. Their hating him now because the impartial info that he is sharing is not on their side.

      Dave Carmichael on the other hand is invested in this fight because he’s fighting for his job. (No major league team, no need for a sports radio host) He’s biased as all can be

    • rambisfan-rmcd says:

      I didn’t get that reading the Sactown Royalty…it seemed that a couple people were spouting off on him. The rest were reserving judgement.

      • Riboflavin says:

        No, you’re right, it was some. However, as stated above here, Chris Daniels took some hits on Twitter too. I wanna say I saw Dennis Bounds jump on Twitter in Daniels defense….LOL.

      • Myk says:

        He has been down the middle on the facts for both sides and asking the right questions. One thing I have been happy with is that (for the most part) the Seattle media hasn’t been advesarial with the City of Sacramento like the OKC media was…

        There were some jokes yesterday on Ian Fruness’ show that I didn’t really like…and it would be great if the media didn’t have to go to the OKC level for this…

  5. ykiki says:

    The way Chris Daniels & KING5 has been on top of Arena/Sonics stories, I hope they’re rewarded with a tv deal similar to what they have with the Sounders - games on (mostly) KONG with replays on ROOT.

    Would love to have the radio broadcasts back on KJR.

  6. SpanishGlove says:

    So, finally there’s no ROFR issue? Nothing to worry about?

    • BarelyAble says:

      To be fair the article says that Seattle people don’t think they have it. But everything seems like people’s opinions at this point

      • Taylor Made says:

        Maloofs don’t think they have it, either.

        • Kryten says:

          More importantly, none of the lawyers for the Maloofs, Hansen, or the NBA think they have it.

        • the nightfly says:

          The big question is what a local judge might think.

          Case in point: when the Raiders were planning to move to L.A. in the early ’80s, Oakland city government came up with a ridiculous resolution to claim the Raiders under eminent domain laws (you know, the ones that allow them to force sale of property needed for a new highway), thus forcing Al Davis to sell them the team so they could be kept in Oakland. People throughout the league laughed their heads off over the resolution…but the first judge to hear the case, based in NorCal, upheld it and ordered the team to be sold. Of course, the decision was overturned on appeal — but much time was wasted before the judicial process had run its course. And that was just the case of a move, not a sale and move.

          What I’m saying is that it is quite possible that a sympathetic judge could throw a roadblock in the process that might prevent a sale before it’s too late to move for another year…or even longer, if the appeals process gets bogged-down. At that point, Seattle hopes would ride on a) Hansen and Ballmer are willing to wait another year or more, or risk owning a team required to play that long a time before 12,000 empty seats in Sactown, and b) the league being willing to carry on such a sustained fight. Remember, Stern will be gone in a little over a year, and I doubt Silver shares Stern’s desire to “repair his legacy” by restoring a team to Seattle. Everyone talks about how the NBA resists legal challenges, but isn’t that more a reflection of Stern’s pugnacious personality? Who’s to say that Silver, once in charge, might not say “the hell with this hassle — sell the team to local owners and let Seattle wait for another franchise”…?

  7. rambisfan-rmcd says:

    The NBA has been looking at ways to get rid of the Maloofs for YEARS now. Do we honestly think a brokered deal with the Hansen/Ballmer group would be derailed by the ROFR!?!?! The NBA legals probably have the King’s ownership contract points MEMORIZED and have for a couple years by now as they have been at this for years.
    1)Stern and Ballmer have had a relationship for a while as know as fact. Stern wants Ballmer.
    2)It has been reported that Stern is determined to get a team back to Seattle before he rides off
    3)Hansen/Ballmer’s legal team is the creme de le creme
    4)Sacramento people are flailing…(it’s hack a Shaq time with a minute left problem is Shaq is now on the bench and they trail by a dozen..hey that is only 4 threes to tie)
    5)KJ never saw this sale coming?? The team wasn’t for sale??? NO. HE JUST DIDN’T HAVE HIS OWN VERSION OF CHRIS HANSEN. IT WAS KJ HIMSELF LEADING THE CHARGE FROM DAY ONE.
    As much as I hate to see Sacramento fans get hurt. It is probably going to happen.
    Sonics are coming home.

    • SonicsDawg says:

      Well… Hansen will still have gotten rid of the Maloofs if somehow the NBA convinces them to sell to Burkle…

      My small concern all along is we would become to the NBA what LA is to the NFL: the permanent threat to all teams - causing local markets to bend over to the NBA.

      I doubt Hansen would allow himself to be used like that but it’s a worry…

  8. James says:

    You know we’ve all been talking about Squatch coming back, Kevin Calabaro doing play my play, what the the uni’s might look like, etc. But we haven’t spoken a word about what the Sonics dance team might look like? Come on guys lol

    • BarelyAble says:

      Hopefully the break dancers are back

    • LMF_Sonic says:

      The last game I attended, probably in March or April of the last season, featured a couple of the dancers trying to dunk along with the dunking ushers at halftime. The first dancer led off by slipping and falling on her face at the very start of her run. She got back up, ran down the court, bounced on the trampoline, and finished about 3 feet short of the hoop. Then the dunking ushers started their routine - and none of them could make it to the hoop! I think the trampoline was set too far out. Anyway, I have been hoping to find video of that on youtube for years with no luck.

  9. Matt Parker says:

    I can NOT understand how these Sac fans can look past the facts to create their own reality. They’ve read an article in the local paper that says “Mastrov and Burkle in serious talks” “KJ to meet with Ellison” and they’ve arrived at Mastrov and Burkle will buy the minority owners stake, and Ellison and Cook(?) will be buying he Maloof’s majority stake. Insane.

    • MarkS says:

      They’re looking for something to hang their hat on. We Weren’t much different 5 years ago. The Ballmer group and Howard Schultz’s lawsuit were things we thought were going to save the team.

  10. MarkS says:

    We’re scheming to steal the Kings

    http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/25/5139964/ailene-voisin-scheming-to-steal.html

  11. soundersfan84 says:

    Ian furness is making fun of KJ and wondering when’s the next press conference

    • korboko says:

      I don’t see how Sacramento saw this as a surprise. In 2011, even the casual NBA fan knew that if the Kings weren’t going to Anaheim then Seattle might be a alternative. In 2012, when the arena deal fell apart… they should of been aware of a threat coming from Seattle.

      Remember the letter from “Think Big” from Sacramento towards Chris Hansen. They kinda knew back then.

  12. Taylor Made says:

    For anyone saying the league could approve a sale and reject a relocation, a sale requires 75% approval but a relocation only requires simple majority.

  13. Xteve says:

    Ailene has been around long enough to know better than to waste words on the expansion canard.

    “Sacramento is also one of the dregs of the league and is a revenue sharing recipient. ”

    That’s a little harsh. Everything in sports is cyclical. What goes up eventually comes down.

    Remember, Sac fans and writers are not the enemy here. They’re people just like us, who are about to repeat first-hand what happened here between the day Bennett bought the team and the announcement of the settlement, except all over a period of six weeks instead of months. There is nothing anyone can say to them that will make them feel better or lessen that blow.

    Don’t feel disrespected by stuff like this. It’s not personal. It’s business.

  14. BarelyAble says:

    @ChrisDaniels5: RT @CarmichaelDave: Being told Burkle/Mastrov would be working w/KJ Cook brokering Ellison who would partner w/min owners as separate entity

  15. Menace says:

    For the first halftime show. I want Red Panda

  16. pheeel says:

    My son’s only 4 so never got to go to a Sonics v1 game. I was trying to get him excited by showing some clips of Squatch on YouTube. There was one clip where Squatch came out on his Motorbike.
    My Son….”I didn’t know Monkey’s could ride bikes”

    He’s grounded for the next month

  17. Taylor Made says:

    Mike McCann is going to be on the Furness show up next

  18. korboko says:

    I don’t see how Sacramento saw this as a surprise. In 2011, even the casual NBA fan knew that if the Kings weren’t going to Anaheim then Seattle might be a alternative. In 2012, when the arena deal fell apart… they should of been aware of a threat coming from Seattle.

    Remember the letter from “Think Big” from Sacramento towards Chris Hansen. They kinda knew back then.

  19. Kryten says:

    If this deal somehow gets rejected (-which I do not see happening), I can envision the Maloofs taking the $30 million and just keep the team there, knowing they’ll be getting another $20MM per year from revenue sharing. Then squeeze more out of the minority owners for a new arena.

    • Mike Baker says:

      New? No, think cheaper, remodel the current building.

      I brought this up a couple days ago. It is a more likely plan B than selling to locals, if the NBA screws Seattle for a market burning second time (extremely unlikely).

  20. Peter says:

    Bottom line is, the only way the NBA gets rid of the Maloofs is to approve the sale/relocation.

  21. Peter says:

    When is the ASG weekend? Didn’t someone say Feb 17-18? I agree, if they approve the sale then, it’s over. ballgame.

  22. Peter says:

    If NBA lawyers have vetted the ROFR clause and say it’s a “non-issue”, then that should tell us that they are not going to force a local sale, and fully support Hansen. IF the NBA was going to try and force a local sale, it seems ROFR would be the avenue they would use.

  23. jeffshana says:

    Was reading James Ellroy’s “American Tabloid” at lunch today and one phrase in regards to the Kennedys caught my attention.

    “Compete, but don’t go public unless you know you can win. ”

    It just made me think of how public Sac has been without knowing that they can win.

  24. John_S says:

    Looks like Burkle met with Stern yesterday in New York

    ——
    Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick

    At @USATODAYsports: LA billionaire & prospective owner of Sacramento Kings Ron Burkle met with David Stern in NYC on Friday. Story coming

    —-

    Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick

    Correction: they met on Thursday. Story coming.

    • Taylor Made says:

      Oh, to be a fly on the wall in that meeting.

    • BarelyAble says:

      And the mayor of Columbus was sending stern letters saying they want a team. This doesn’t mean anything other than someone who has expressed interest in a team a while ago had met with stern. Stern could even say don’t bother if you want to have. Team later. Shoot maybe they want Pittsburgh to have a team….

  25. Gene Hunt says:

    Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick
    At @USATODAYsports: LA billionaire & prospective owner of Sacramento Kings Ron Burkle met with David Stern in NYC on Friday. Story coming

    Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick
    Correction: they met on Thursday. Story coming.

  26. James says:

    Burkle can meet Stern all he wants. Let Sactown royalty rejoice all weekend, it’s not going to change the game at all. The league will approve the sale to Hansen, Hansen will file for relocation, and then the league will approve that request. Then thank Sacramento for all their hard work towards getting a plan together, and we will keep you at the top of the next NBA ready city list.

  27. catch-22 says:

    I wish the NBA would make some type of statement about this.

    • Gene Hunt says:

      Or just vote to approve the sale at the All Star Break. Then it would be game over.

    • Taylor Made says:

      “The NBA received an executed Purchase and Sale Agreement for the transfer of a controlling interest in the Sacramento Kings from the Maloof family to an investor group led by Christopher Hansen,” the statement read. “The proposed transaction is subject to the approval of the NBA Board of Governors and has been referred to the Board’s committee process for review.”

  28. SonicsUberAlles says:

    Chris Daniels ‏@ChrisDaniels5
    RT @Ryan_Lillis: Source also tells The Bee that Ron Burkle advocated for a new #NBAKings arena at the Downtown Plaza site

  29. Gene Hunt says:

    Burkle thing not a big deal. He has no ownership group, no fully fleshed out and funded arena plan. Sac will get a team in a few years when they get their arena and ownership group sorted out.

  30. James says:

    We don’t need to advocate, we have a team, and a new arena already bought, and planned for. Just needs the NBA’s blessing. Ron Burkle doesn’t have a team, has no arena plan as of yet, nor how the public-private split is going to pay for said arena.

  31. SonicsUberAlles says:

    Did I miss Today’s presser from KJ?

  32. Gene Hunt says:

    From the LA Times
    “Which NBA team is most in need of a nickname change?”

    “Barry Stavro, Los Angeles Times

    David Stern is ready to give whoever buys the Sacramento Kings a get-out-of-jail-free card and bless their move to Seattle. With an inevitable change in ZIP codes coming, it’s also time to ditch the Kings as a name.

    Truth is this franchise, in existence since 1949, has hardly been Kings-like. This will be their seventh straight losing season and it’s been more than a decade since Sacramento was a title contender (Chris Webber-Mike Bibby). And after previous stops in Rochester, Cincinnati and Kansas City, Mo., this franchise has only a single NBA title, back in 1951 as the Rochester Royals, on their ledger.

    The NFL has already shown you can revive a forgotten city by resurrecting an old team name (Cleveland Browns). So once the Kings’ moving van arrives in Washington state, let’s rename them the Seattle SuperSonics.”

    • Mike Baker says:

      What a great idea, how about we put that in some kind of agreement, beat the agreement to near death for 7 months.

      There is going to be people way outside the bubble waking up over the next 2 weeks that will write some head scratching stuff, they are not going to know any of this to the level of detail that fans do.

  33. James says:

    It’s just crazy how Sacramento doesn’t get that the owners are shooting themselves in the foot if they don’t approve this sale. We were gullible 5 years ago on how the NBA is run, so it’s surreal seeing the false hope kings fans are having right now. Kind of sad in a way. The news in Sacramento that Burkle just met with Stern has created a whirlwind of hope for them.

  34. BarelyAble says:

    Just reporting though we have heard this. Just look at the phrasing. Bid and offer shouldn’t be mentioned. Maybe if thrusday ownership group for Sacramento team it would be okay. Glad there is silence on Hansens end.

    @ChrisDaniels5: RT @SHowardCooper: Hearing Ron Burkle bid for Kings is gaining momentum — he went to New York to meet with David Stern.

  35. korboko says:

    If Burkle wanted a arena in a downtown plaza, wouldn’t Sacramento have to rework the plan that was placed at the Railyard?

  36. Menace says:

    Burkle can meet with God if he wants. Neither God nor David Stern are selling the team.

  37. Gene Hunt says:

    Seattle arena proponents respond to longshore union’s lawsuit

    http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2013/01/25/seattle-arena-proponents-respond-to.html?ana=twt

  38. Gene Hunt says:

    Seattle arena proponents respond to longshore union’s lawsuit

    http://bit.ly/W5hpqc

  39. BarelyAble says:

    @ChrisDaniels5: “Love to talk to you, however the NBA has precluded me from talking to the press.” writes #NBAKings minority owner: http://t.co/Ct5maBIt

    NBA gag order? Have not read it yet. But I will have a crazy over reaction: this means the deal is approved because the minority partners can’t talk! That must be why!

    • Gene Hunt says:

      Basically its about how Cook used a Sports Attorney to reach out to Ellison and the attorney told Cook he hadn’t been able to reach him. Cook thinks he will hear from Ellison on Monday or Tuesday. But I have repeat Ellison hasn’t contacted them back. Then Cook goes onto explain about how he told KJ about his idea to have Ellison buy his share which KJ ‘Absolutely’ reacted in favor of. Then it goes on to explain that Cook is part of a 4 member group that owns the remaining 35%.

      “Cook is part of a four-member group that controls 35 percent of the Kings. The others are the Benvenuti family, businessman David Lucchetti and Santa Clara developer John Kehriotis. Members of the group are trying to get together sometime next week” to discuss the idea of having Ellison involved, Cook said.”

      In an emailed response to a query from this newspaper, Kehriotis said, “Love to talk to you, however the NBA has precluded me from talking to the press.”

  40. Paul Rogers says:

    Chris Daniels‏@ChrisDaniels5
    “Love to talk to you, however the NBA has precluded me from talking to the press.” writes #NBAKings minority owner: http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_22451903/oracles-larry-ellison-asked-help-keep-sacramento-kings

    • BarelyAble says:

      Sac fans better not read this. Says they haven’t even made contact with Ellison. Yet they are reporting it as a meeting is going to take place?

      • soundersfan84 says:

        Daniels is really getting knocked around on twitter by sac king fans. Just read the twitter response to that.

        Making the ROFR a issue if they were allowed to talk.

      • Gene Hunt says:

        Besides the fact that Ellison hasn’t made contact with anyone. It also shows that KJ is trying to interfere with a binding sales agreement.

    • SonicsUberAlles says:

      So at least now we (supposedly) know who the other minority owners are.

      Cook is part of a four-member group that controls 35 percent of the Kings. The others are the Benvenuti family, businessman David Lucchetti and Santa Clara developer John Kehriotis. Members of the group are trying to get together sometime next week” to discuss the idea of having Ellison involved, Cook said.
      In an emailed response to a query from this newspaper, Kehriotis said, “Love to talk to you, however the NBA has precluded me from talking to the press.”

  41. Paul Rogers says:

    The only one allowed to talk is the bankrupt one.

  42. jenn_gp says:

    I love the fact that Kings fans should be excited about the fact that Burkle met with Stern, but choose to comment on how we may be feeling. Again, the sound of desperation…this is a post from Kingsfans.com:

    “That sound you hear is thousands of Seattle-ites typing furiously and cursing David Stern.”

    I ain’t mad bro….makes them look sad.

  43. Paul Rogers says:

    Carmichael Dave‏@CarmichaelDave
    As we said yesterday, Burkle won’t like reading in the paper that he “failed” at a bid. If he’s announced, that means Stern mtg went well.

  44. 206er says:

    well on sonicsarena.com they certainly emphasize that they signed a BINDING agreement to buy the kings. the maloofs have also acknowledged that agreement which indicates that this sale is fully their intent as well. i thought the only thing that could potentially break up that binding agreement would be if a current owner excercised their ROFR. burkle is not part of the current ownership group so IF the maloofs were to reverse course and sell to burkle would that not be a breach of contract with hansen/ballmer??

  45. BarelyAble says:

    So apparently kj facilitated this meeting? No source I think that was made up. Also if he did you think he would have spiked the football during the presser instead of saying sometime next week….maybe…

    That’s from sactown.

  46. Gene Hunt says:

    Sonicsman ‏@sonicsman
    From Sac Bee: The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the talks were private, said the focus of the discussion between Burkle and Stern was the “future position of Sacramento as an NBA city.” Could Stern be looking at Sac as future Expansion City??

  47. Gene Hunt says:

    Sonicsman ‏@sonicsman
    From Sac Bee: The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the talks were private, said the focus of the discussion between Burkle and Stern was the “future position of Sacramento as an NBA city.” Could Stern be looking at Sac as future Expansion City??

  48. Gene Hunt says:

    Well Carmichael Dave is staying classy……

    Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave
    @sonicsman Haha. Civil. I’m civil. Ill be civil when you get your grungy rainy hands off my team. Hippie.

  49. Gene Hunt says:

    Wow Sac/Carmichael Dave fans are now attacking Sonicsman on Twitter.

  50. jenn_gp says:

    Here’s quite a theory regarding the upcoming vote, made me LOL..I read on Kingsfans.com a tweet Carmichael Dave posted:

    “Burkle of course has his known AEG connection and AEG is involved in Sac discussions. Well, nine other owners have teams which play in AEG arenas. Should help with any possible vote.”

    Like this would ever be possible? AEG may be involved with the arenas around the league, but they AREN’T NBA owners…

  51. Peter says:

    I agree, Burkle is setting SAC up for a future team, much like Ballmer did for us 5 years ago. When this is over, SAC will be “next in line”.

  52. SonicsUberAlles says:

    Nice summary.

    http://NBA.com writer RT @SHowardCooper: A few points / on the Kings / SuperSonics in Sacramento / Seattle http://sulia.com/my_thoughts/c00ce064-03fc-4912-9cab-688bdd4b14ee/?source=twitter …

    “A few points / updates on the Kings / SuperSonics in Sacramento / Seattle (but you’re on your own for the aspirin):
    A few points / updates on the Kings / SuperSonics in Sacramento / Seattle (but you’re on your own for the aspirin):

    *Ron Burkle, one of the big-money guys Sacramento has been hoping to get, as opposed to those 20 paupers who only had $1 million handy, flew to New York to meet with David Stern. That is obviously a definitive statement of interest. (Sam Amick of USA Today reported the meeting was Thursday.)

    *Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson needs to be very careful. There is a potential drawback to having too many whales interested, if Burkle does commit to the project to keep the Kings in town and speculation proves true that Mark Mastrov could partner with Burkle and speculation also proves true that Larry Ellison is also interested. Johnson does not have unlimited time to consider options. He is on the clock with the league. He is also on the clock with his own comment that he will have a majority investor in place by the end of next week, but it’s not a big deal to walk that back.

    *There is a lot of uncertainty on the arena front as well. I said before that the location is not set, despite the incorrect assumption among many that Sacramento would simply pull the plans out of the drawer for the complex it had in place a year ago in the (brief) agreement with the Maloofs. The location was never set. The Sacramento Bee backed that up with a report today that Burkle will advocate a different site. It is very close to the land that was plotted in 2012, but different plans will be needed. It’s something that will take time when Sacramento doesn’t have a lot of it. Mayor KJ will need to come to the league with a locked-in proposal, not a couple ownership possibilities, not showing two different arena drawings. It’s his Game 7 fourth quarter.

    *Today’s developments are an emotional boost for Sacramento. Nothing more. Seattle is still in the lead with a bid that appears sound on every level. Finding investors and kick-starting the arena project was never the biggest challenge. It was, and still is, convincing the Board of Governors not to be in Seattle. If the Board approves the sale to the group led by Chris Hansen and Steve Ballmer, Sacramento has lost.

    *For the second time in three years, the Kings will play their final game with the possibility that it is their last game of the season or that it is their last game, period. It happened when a move to Anaheim was within sight. Now, the calendar is rapid-fire tense for Sacramento fans: vs. Clippers on April 17 at Sleep Train Arena, Board of Governors on April 18-19 in New York.”

  53. SonicsUberAlles says:

    Burkle meet with Stern supposedly lasted 2 hours..

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/kings/2013/01/25/sacramento-kings-seattle-david-stern-ron-burkle/1865501/

  54. Peter says:

    I’ve heard April 1st for the relo vote, and now april 18-19. I just hope they vote on the sale ASG weekend. they pretty much have to in order for Hansen to take control of the team before filing for relocation March 1st deadline.

  55. James says:

    Art Thiel, seriously man? He just said on KJR that he had said yesterday he thought it was 60-40 they would be in Seattle next year. After today those odds went down.

  56. rambisfan-rmcd says:

    Could Art Thiel be the “Dan Rather” of NW sports writers? He had his day. He is no longer relevant but thinks he is. That’s why he offers these oddball opinions to keep his name out there?? Strange

  57. Xteve says:

    New thread is up.

Leave a Reply