This is what I think, and something I had planned as a my Tuesday column on April 16th, but why not here and now?
“We” need to explicitly state a few things we continually learn from losing the Sonics, and move forward when the time comes, as Brian states below.
Brian Robinson:
So while we are having a discussion about Sacramento presence on this board I will run over a thought that I was having.This is just an idea and I haven’t really thought out the pros and cons of it.Right now Sacramento simply is the story.You could not talk about the team coming here or the future of basketball without recognizing Sac and having them be a significant part of the discussion.
There will likely come a moment when that is no longer the case.Sacramento would be the teams past, the maloofs and BOG irrelevant and a real roster/team on the floor.
At that time I am considering the creation of a separate forum to discuss relocation and sacramento lingering issues and simply not allow any mention of it to the primary forum where we are going to want to celebrate the new team.We’ve really tried to do a good job in here of accepting the other opinion and trying to allow for a lot of reasonable conversation.I don’t want to have to do that for the entire first year of the new franchise.I want to enjoy the franchise.
I think offering a separate forum for those that still want to debate the issue is reasonable and would allow a lot of us to enjoy this forum more.What are your thoughts on a post-move sacramento ban to make this a basketball and Sonics forum?
I agree that the Sacramento and Kings discussion should not be part of the ongoing and main discussion here. Further, there is an existing site for a comprehensive and ongoing discussion, Sactown Royalty.
Having a side discussion here for people to work out the residual feelings and ongoing reality that the Kings (in all likelihood) will stop existing, no matter what the NBA says about franchise history, etc., should be isolated and short lived. Once the 2013 - 2014 season starts, then the “facts” of what happened should be noted in Wikipedia and people that want to talk about the Kings and Sacramento should be directed to Sactown Royalty (a place I haven’t visited in months).
I want a NBA franchise in Seattle. everybody will call them the Sonics. But, as far as I am concerned, MY team stopped in 2008 and restarted with different players in 2013 - 2014 season.
The Kings, in all likelihood, will stop existing in 2013. The name and the well traveled history stays in Sacramento, on their web sites, and in their hearts, no matter what the NBA wants to say otherwise. Been there, it sucks.
I’m not trolling OKC Blunder web sites, not following that team, and would be happy to have the familiar strangers that once were Sonics come home to visit or play.
In a way, I guess how I delt with the Sonics leaving Seattle is the same way I would like to deal with the Kings leaving Sacramento. To me, people leave, but MY team didn’t leave, it stopped. The Kings are not leaving Sacramento for Seattle. The right to have a franchise is moving, but the Kings stop and stay in Sacramento and the Sonics start again and move forward.
Should Sacramento get another franchise, they should be called the Kings, if they want. That should be up to those fans.
Like any “fiction” people tell themselves, this how I make sense of this opportunity before me.
(The was just going to be a comment response to Brian, but I think we really need to discuss this as a separate item.)
i’d love to talk roster and trades as much as anyone but i can’t bring myself to do that until april 19th. on april 19th, sacramento will be behind us. unfortunately, until then this is the game we are playing in.
I just feel like it will die on the vine once this is resolved. Once you cross the finish line, you don’t keep running for your own amusement.
I know it doesn’t mean much, but to me it’s a small victory that key arena is scheduling around the Sonics now.
I don’t think we need separate forums, because the truth is, while there may be a spike in Sacramento activity after April 19, it will be almost gone by May. I don’t think any of us will want to continue to discuss what didn’t happen in the BoG. Instead of having another forum, could the management team temporarily insert some strong blog guidelines and moderation?
In a way, I guess how I delt with the Sonics leaving Seattle is the same way I would like to deal with the Kings leaving Sacramento. To me, people leave, but MY team didn’t leave, it stopped. The Kings are not leaving Sacramento for Seattle. The right to have a franchise is moving, but the Kings stop and stay in Sacramento and the Sonics start again and move forward.
I can’t distinguish the difference. Am I reading this right?
god i cant wait until we are arguing about whether or not IT is a starting point guard or a sixth man.
Sixth man!
agreed. im a huge dawg fan and love IT but he just isnt a starting nba point guard imo
I think Andy said it succintly. It will die on the vine when the time comes. People don’t spin in place forever just for their own amusement.
Besides, who is going to moderate all this? I’m surely not. :)
Sixth man.
I’m thinking deeper.
Yeah, I’m a Dawg too and I like IT, but I shutter at the thought he would be starting. He is a great spark off the bench. Dude is full of energy. Kinda like a hype-man, but he can score.
Put some veteran point guard experience behind him and IT will definetly grow.
Sacramento is not providing this.
*cough*Trey Burke*cough*
Once/if the relocation happens there will be a lot of activity from Kings fans here trying to rain on our parade. I think we give Sac fans an opportunity to discuss the team (they have been watching these guys longer than us) and if they turn it into relocation talk then ban and delete. As time goes on the Sac fans will diminish.
If it really is a problem then we can discuss locking threads, but how does that work exactly??
I think the game threads and other threads will work if we’re dilogent enough, just make it clear in the heading and intro what the thread is for. Game thread is solely about the game, players, coaches etc. Draft thread about the draft. A relocation thread about the relocation. If people keep discussing whales and rofrs in a game thread after the fact then ban and delete.
I guess I just don’t see how a locked site or thread would work because I’ve never been part of one. I’m afraid it would also prevent casual Sonics fans from joining.
I’m hesistant to put the cart before the horse. I would *love* to talk about basketball instead MOUs, RoFRs, BoGs, whales, etc but as of today the team is still in Sacramento and playing under the banner of the Kings. When the team is officially sold and the relocation process begins at the end of April I will get excited but until then I’ll wait. Sac Town Royalty is a great resource, provided you can sift through the homer BS, but there’s no reason we can’t have a similar discussion amongst ourselves to debate the relative merits of how news helps/hurts Seattle as that place is not welcome to ideas outside of their groupthink. Which is fine, its their place, but Sonics Rising is ours.
It will just be the trolling types. Why the hell would you come here to talk the Soinics, when the team just relocated? I doubt anyone went to the OKC places and gave them a breakdown of our front court.
I’d be happy with Trey. Man, I really want to go deeper into this roster, but I don’t want to offend anyone.
I think it’s kind of cool that they can post pics, and gifs.
Their is always the Forest Gumps of the world.
Go ahead and go deeper. This is sonicsrising.com, we are hoping the current team known as the “Kings” will rise north to become the “Soncis” next year and it looks likely. I don’t understand being afraid to discuss the team.
Too many 2′s and 4′s, almost no 1′s or 3′s. That covers the broad strokes.
Trey Burke is playing today at 4 on big10 network, Otto Porter is on at 4 as well on espn2. An interesting 1 and 3.
You mean Cole Aldrich doesn’t count……
Remember benditlikebennett.blogspot.com ? Those were the days.
Team names and history stay put. The NBA insists that the history follows the franchise, but I do not think so, no matter what they say.
MY Sonics stopped, and soon they will start. I, a Sonics fan, didn’t move to Oklahoma City.
A history is what I remember, not what strangers at the NBA league office say it is.
IT has been playing pretty well the past few weeks. Wouldn’t brush him off. Actually a few other players on their roster have been playing decently, but I’ll save that for later
There was a few threads ago where it seemed people weren’t ready to talk about the Kings as if they were ours. I don’t have that concern myself, but I didn’t want my head getting bit off for asking questions like, “How likely is it that Hansen has most of his front office established in preparation for this years draft? And is PG the most pressing need on the Kings right now?”
yes and yes imo. unless trading cousins is considered a “need”
Gothcha,
NBA, root of all evil
I think it was more about having game threads solely for Kings games. I understand not wanting to get ahead of ourselves in that regard even though it didn’t bother me really. But feel free to discuss the team, I feel like people have been. It’s just going to be worse for us if the relocation doesn’t happen and we get ahead of ourselves.
I agree that IT shouldn’t be taken lightly. He could be a terrific 6th man in the league. He reminds me a lot of Terry and Crawford in this regard. Seattle anyone? lol.
Kind of how I feel. My passion for the historic Sonics never ceased, but my NBA passion is “on hold”. I hit the “pause” button when MY Sonics left and I’ll hit the “play” button again this April.
Here’s something I’ve been wondering - but haven’t asked until now. If Sacramento fans hit “pause” on their love of the Kings expecting to hit the “play” button at some point in the future, what if KC gets an ownership together and buys a team to fill their modern arena? What if the people in KC want to rename their “new” team the Kings? Who gets the name? Are Sacramento fans going to be upset with the people in KC for taking “their” name even though Sacramento took KC’s team?
Ok, now my head hurts…
Mr. Sonic on Bob and Groz next.
When it is over it is over. Our converstation will focus on the outcome, not worrying about the past. There will be angry voices but if you can’t handle it then maybe the internet isn’t for you because rest assured there will be a lot of unpleasant things said. Get ready for it and don’t get butthurt when it happens.
I would really like to talk Kings, but I understand others not wanting to. If people want to watch the Kings and chat about it we should have a meetup at like Oskars or something so that those who would like to talk roster, coaching and all that can if they choose
I know folks in Sacramento are ready to part ways with Cousins, but I really hope to see him for my own eyes in green and gold before I’m ready to see him pack his bags. The kid sounds as if he has a huge upside.
i 100% agree. potentially an amazing 6th man. bring him in and let him go make some plays. just dont think he is a starter
Great 4th quarter guy, and I am not really a UW fan. Just like him as a player
i have seen a few of his games and im not a fan. from my perspective he looks like he just doesnt wanna be out there and has better things to do than be on the court. IF someone could get through to him he would be a beast but nobody has been able to so far college or pro and i doubt they will unfortunately
my god this is a million times more fun then debating loan interest lawsuits and aquatic mammals. hahahah
But who will speak for the manatee? Unless of course it can actually have a low post presence or play defense in the paint.
Well, I’ll throw this out here now, I’ll likely be out of commission in June and July for personal reasons (getting better involves robots and lasers). Sooooo, I will not be moderating during the most likely point that this activity will happen.
What I’m hoping to get collected in this thread are some suggestions of what could be moderated, magic words, topics, whatever, and a very obvious component that keeps coming up, when.
As far as I am concerned, I agree with Brian, when the bog approves the sale, that’s after the regular season is over, it’s Sonics roster talk, draft talk, trade talk, coaching and management talk, game on.
I think breaking off Kings/Sacramento talk into its own space for a limited time is a good idea. It’s muddled here and now by circumstances that will be resolved in April.
I would like to take that further and just cut Kings/Sacramento talk off from the site when next season starts, assuming the Sonics start playing in Key Arena next season. I really don’t think there will be all that much here, I just would like to have a limit.
Essentially, we should be looking at improving at every position asap then? From what I’ve read here in earlier threads, it doesn’t sound as if there is much in the way of draft picks the team owns either, other than the protected picks?
Just to set the record straight, that was a quote from Mike Baker’s thread starter.
We really need an edit button for this site. I make my fair share of mistakes.
manatee is a great defender. good firm and wide base. not the greatest rebounder but good enough
Are you suggesting that Dave Barry should be coach?
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/19/2651400/manatee-heaven.html
I thought the league was arranging for Bennett to sell the Sonics history back to Hansen’s group “officially”?
I agree, might not go with “great” but “very good”.
Regardless, I always want another front court player that patrols the paint to usher people away from the basket, “nothing for you to rebound here, move along, move along”.
Patrick Ewing I think once said that he could average 7 rebounds by just standing there and putting his arms up. That’s about where the manatee is on most nights. I think he is able to do more.
Mostly hearsay at this point, though common sense would imply that Clay would allow for an arrangement to be made if only to help his own PR and finally get some of that monkey off his back. Pocketing some more cash wouldn’t hurt either.
He has no use for it
Don’t know the best way to link to tweets but apparently Nate McMillan told Bob and Groz in reference to the potential coaching vacancy in Seattle: “I’m not retired and I love Seattle!”
The name is in the MOU as a requirement. I know about the history for sure, and more to the point, I do not want the Kings history to be mistakenly described or discussed as if it belonged to Seattle like the way the NBA does with the Sonics history right now.
Sounds like borderline Big Brother. I’m kidding, I just want to know more about the locked threads/sites idea. I don’t know how that works better than the current format. I just think regardless of the format there will be trolling from Sacramento but we shouldn’t explicitly deny someone simply because they have a California IP. I think any discussion of the BOG vote, attendance, Sac vs Seattle etc should be grounds for a ban. If someone wants to talk Sonics then they are welcome.
i’ll give you that. if his footwork improved and he lost a couple pounds and gained quickness he could be great. either way he would be a very welcome addition to the team
It is something I don’t think we’ve ever really had, at least not in my time (first season memory is 87). We had smaller quicker centers like Michael Cage and athletic forwards like Kemp. No real massive dudes to keep the game to the perimeter.
If I remember right, the NBA is a revenue sharing league. Not going to pretend I completely know what I’m talking about here, but no matter what, Bennett still gets a piece the sales of Sonics merchandise. Whether he owns the rights or not.
jerome james? ; )
I completely agree with this. I don’t want to hear so and so had t he most assists since Jayson Williams in 2001 or most 3s since Peja in 2002 or whatever. I still love Barkley interupting the TNT report about Denver v okc playoff matchup. They were discussing all time record and Barkley said it was wrong to use Sonics stats. He said if okc can combine Seattle stats then he’s going to combine his stats with Michael Jordan lol!
Turn on a Blunder game and tell me the NBA operates with common sense with team history.
It’s not all up to Clay, though I think he would like to put that all behind him.
I am quite positive that Clay would like to shead that Sonics skin, like the snake that he is, once and for all.
Nor does he want it.
I remember OKC finally started asking why they have Seattle’s history when they traded for Kendrick Perkins and he couldn’t wear #43.
This^^^^^ is what every fan knows and the league keeps messing up.
True, Ho Grant was great to watch, but he was not really all that big.
Vitali Potapenko wasn’t all that great but had some strange superhuman games against Yoa Ming.
Patrick Ewing??
He was a fossil by the time we got him. He still had some moments, but they were limited by his health.
Watching Dwight Howard shoot free throws makes me want to poke myself in the eye, but would you build a team around him?
How bout a front court of Dwight Howard and Paul Millsap?
Vitaly had the footwork of a guy who had cement boots on. Still loved the guy though. He worked so hard.
He was fine, except in game 6 of the WCSF in 05 vs San Antonio when he bit on Manu’s drive and left Duncan wide open for the game winning lay up. I suppose he was in a tough spot there though.
I could see multiple topics but not multiple forums. This site is not particularly well organized to allow multiple discussion topics at once. The top topic is where everyone goes. Perhaps, Kevin could address that capability. It seems to me it will be difficult to keep everyone on topic. It is also rude to try and manage what people post about. Splitting the fan base into multiple forums seems counterproductive to the goal of bringing Sonic fans together in one spot to discuss topics of interest, which may still include the arena and relocation.
Yeah, the ”shared history” BS has got to stop. Even OKC fans hate it. They want to make THEIR OWN history, and as well they should.
If we’ve got the name, logo, colors, titles, then the history should go with it.
Give it up, Clay! You’ve got the team. That should be enough for you.
I wouldn’t build around somebody that I have to pull off the floor at the end of a game on offense because his ft shooting is a liability.
Anytime you have an opposing center tap out of the game because he is getting his butt kicked you have to like that. True, not very mobile, he did know where he should be, and which ass to kick.
All true, that’s kind if why I just suggested that there is a freshness date for Sacramento talk.
Howard could only be part of a championship team if he isn’t on a max deal
if the new Sonics are saddled with the Kings/Royals history, then it gets way worse than what people are saying. If we allow the NBA to impose its corporate view of history, then debates about the best Sonic point guard in history will not be about Payton vs Wilkens, but will instead go like this: “the Sonics will never have a point guard better than their all-time great, Oscar Robertson.”. And the fond memories of the lone NBA championship in franchise history? Remember that great 1951 team that Arnie Risen and Bob Davies led to the championship? And when Seattle fans try to point to 1979, the NBA will say, nope that championship belongs to the team in that state south of Kansas.
Completely unacceptable and ridiculous. The new Sonics’ history and records must be linked to Sonics 1.0, not to the Rochester/KC/Sac’to Royals/Kings.
The accountants in the NBA office will try to link the Sonics 2.0 history to the Kings/Royals. The team, sports media, and fans must explicitly reject or ignore those so-called records, and use Sonics-centered statistics and records.
And that^
As fans, we should completely and actively reject that obvious failure in league thinking.
If they really, really, want to limit relocations then leave the history where is actually happened.
If they pull that, I’d be all for posting a page here that knits the Seattle Sonics history together here, with a blank spot for when they were not playing here.
Can someone tell me how KJR stays in business?
They clearly aren’t selling very much ad time, as they play these same long audio clips of past interviews, press conferences, etc. to fill time between show segments. It’s really odd. I haven’t sat down and just had KJR on for hours on end in a while, have the past couple of days, and it’s bizarre. Not to mention how much music they let play leading back into a show. I just don’t see how the bills are getting paid.
Are you listening online?
True. In the NFL, we don’t see the Baltimore Ravens accepting the history of the Cleveland Browns.
Is that it? I feel kinda dumb now haha, but I listen to 710 online all the time and it carries all the same ads from what I can tell. Is this because of I Heart Radio?
710 plays almost only ad council stuff. It is disaster relief non stop
I see no need for multiple forums. Did anyone ever feel like posting on an OKC board back in 08 after the Sonics left? Exactly.
Highly doubt a Sonics 2.0 would carry any of the Kings history. Kings are the ultimate carpetbagger team in the NBA, that history should revert back to the league. The league is the rightful custodian of that history and if a situation arises in the future for it to be returned then it can be.
That’s because they aren’t the Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns are the Cleveland Browns … and that’s exactly what should and likely will happen here.
Yes, iHeart runs an entirely different set of ads. I find it most amusing when iHeart does giveaways… with the cue to call not airing as part of their commercial package.
Ok so I looked around after seeing Mitch’s tweets from last night. Has there been any news today? Sorry.
Nope, been quiet. Someone I follow on twitter who has been really good said something today that made me think some news might drop but nothing yet
Someone other than Mitch
They are owned by Clear Channel which pretty much owns everything in the radio business.
History is a non issue. Its shared.
We can claim 3x champions
Which is owned by Bain Capital.
I bet we will hear the news on the Mastrov bid probably by Friday if not sooner. Stern is starting a west coast trip visiting the Warriors on Friday. Maybe he will be the one that says something, I dunno. Maybe we will hear something from Wojo.
Mitch’s source is someone around the Hansen group correct? Or is it someone more national? Hopefully we will hear with tonights news cycle. Maybe Wojo or something
Yea Balmer is mitch’s source.
It’s official, Ballmer reads this blog and saw yesterday’s plea for Seattle to go more on the offensive. By the end of the week we’ll find out Mastrov’s bid is nothing but a few weekend passes to 24 Hour Fitness and several autographed Kevin Johnson rookie cards.
All is going according to plan…
Oh ok. I heard speculation that Hansen could just up the bid if it needed to be done. Obviously you dont up it till you have too because of the whole “dont bid against yourself,” concept. Have we any idea what the number is for Hansen Ballmer in terms of paying for a franchise where they back off? 700 million valuation of the franchise? I wonder what that is….If I had Ballmer’s money I would go really stinking high before I backed off if it came to bidding.
Also if Hansen feels like he needs to bid on the 7% for whatever reason or buy it out beforehand and he pays more than 37-40 million, would the entire valuation increase?
KJ player rookie cards? OR KJ politico rookie card?
I will say that made me laugh on this dreary (lovely) PNW day
I keep getting the feeling that one of those “pot sweeteners” is going to be a report that a group has an agreement to purchase the Coyotes and relocate them to Seattle
Would be nice to settle all of this ASAP
Ha! Who knows, maybe Topps will release a “Politico Series” that features pieces of the jacket KJ stoically removed while he was giving the ‘whale’ lip service last week. In any case, I’m interested to see Mastrov’s bid if only to see how low he’s willing to go.
Why would the NBA care about that?
http://espn.go.com/nba/lottery2013/mockdraft
Anybody else notice the name “seattle supersonics” for a tenth of a seconds when the nba mock lottery is running….
yeah we were discussing that last week I think. Maybe ESPN knows something…..
$80 million extra public moneys and less likelihood of the arena not making money and hurting the NBA ownership. But I doubt they care
Thinking ahead, if the BOG approves the seattle deal then who would represent the team on lottery draft night may 21? I mean will they still show the kings logo?
I wish they’d show the kings play on one of the main networks, instead of the same 6 teams. I know I can watch online, but I’d like to see the future Sonics on the big screen.
Brian Robinson!!!!!!
hopefully not. chris seems to be two steps ahead of everyone so he probably has alotta things like name and logo and jersey already worked out and within a month after the vote i assume the name and stuff will be changed
Why *wouldn’t* the NBA care about sharing a new arena with an NHL team? It makes the arena that much more viable/profitable. It drives additional advertising for the Sonics, who everyone will think of and announcers will mention when they see the NHL team playing in the great new arena.
Beautiful new arena with the Sonics and NHL > Sacto vaporware arena on the low end of revenue sharing
Hansen, or maybe Payton- when is his HOF announcement? Formality, right?
Where’s the like button here?
If it isn’t Gary Payton I vote Jason Reid…starting the night as a Zombie Sonics and then progressively changing to a normal human by the end of the night.
Pick the cold envelope, Brian.
KNowing Stern he will weight all of the Sonics balls, so we have no chance at being top 3.
if i had a vote as a fan for who it would be brian robinson too. we as fans should actually try to push for this imo
Oh well, just knowing that Stern had to handle each and everyone of our Supersonic balls would make me feel a lot better.
That’ll be the Sacto people on April 19th…
… “Oh, the huge manatee!” :-D
http://s1358.beta.photobucket.com/user/Blue_Reloaded/media/sonicslottery_zps2858e790.png.html?sort=3&o=1
exactly. we own this place, let’s not overwork the concept too much. We should be able to say what we want here.
Yes! And the Screw Clay t shirts and so many others.
Kind thoughts regarding the lottery but if offered I would defer my position either to my friend Kris Brannon or to a member of Seattle’s nonprofit community.
I’ve had my share of TV time. I would love to be in NY for the draft/lottery to participate in the celebration but don’t need the ego feed of being the guy on camera when it happens. Better to share some of those moments.
Phil Jackson!
… besides, you’d cry like a baby if we got the #1 pick, right? ;-)
Mad props as always, Brian. Someday very soon I expect you’ll get shouted a whole lot of beers for your hard work and humility.
well if brian dont want it then my vote goes to chris hansen. which im sure he would also defer…. so then i vote gp.
I figured you would decline, you are far too humble for all that you have done.
I bet all Brian would like is to be in a seat when the Sonics makes it to the Finals. I worked with the “Save our Seahawks” group. I was in the stands when the Seahawks won the NFC and a trip to the Super Bowl. I really could not even speak. Everything will be worth it then.
Maybe we should have hansen’s daughter;Payton. It worked for the cavs.
This is comedy, here.
I used to think I wanted it but I’m just kind of in a different place right now. Being there for the lottery would be great but the TV part of it is a burden. TV isn’t special to me anymore. I’ve done enough of it to be over it and know that it could either be a really special moment for another deserving fan or a great opportunity to call attention to someone who is helping our community out in other ways.
I really don’t know what the future holds for me right now. I could totally see having some type of ambassador roll with the new franchise or see just sitting out and being a fan again. I think everybody is just going to have to see what the landscape looks like in a couple of months and figure it out.
I do know that I would take a pass on the lottery. I also don’t expect it to be offered.
I do think that any Sacramento talk will end as soon as the team officially is on its way to Sacramento.
Until the vote that says that the Hansen group have been approved and the relocation is approved, then I will be interested who who or who may not be on the Sonics team. Then I will pay attention to the draft . . . but not until then. I don’t trust the NBA enough to invest too much into potential players. After there is no doubt that the team is on its way, I am right here wanting to learn more about the draft . . . just like I do about the NFL draft.
I think there will be a huge number of them who come here to make sure we don’t enjoy it. There will also be a number of people who are here and just cannot help talking about it.
Part of my reasoning to be so open and vocal about my Sacto feelings during this process is that I intend to have fully processed it by the time the vote happens. I will be done with my guilt, done with reconciliation. Its going to be time to enjoy the Sonics.
BTW - working on a “history of the site” article for those who don’t know how I got involved in all this and the origin of Sonicscentral, etc. Its a pretty interesting story actually.
Mitch on softy…basically says it will be low and more than we think so. Says he thinks KJ is gonna match the offer in terms of everything (like loan forgiving and whatnot). Should be interesting when this stuff leaks if only for a thick layer of conjecture and supposition.
Mitch also reiterated on Softy’s show that the loan repayment is not necessarily included in our $341m offer.
Apparently relo fee can be in installments.
if the league says ok.
Interesting stuff from Mitch about them being able to defer payments on the relocation fee and that Bennett may have not even paid his fee yet. WOW
Mac Worthy is going to have a fit
So when you say “low and more than we think so”, do you mean to say it’ll be lower than we think?
And so Mitch also thinks KJ is going to “match” in terms of the Maloofs coming out making the same amount of money? Is that what to take from that?
I realize he might not have been particularly clear, but I didn’t listen, hoping maybe the context made more sense for you.
I know KJ controls most of the Sacramento city council, which is impressive when you consider they have a weak mayor system, but I do not believe there is any way they are just going to forgive a $65MM loan, even to keep the Kings. The loan was brought up multiple times at the council meeting last week and I’m pretty sure the city manager even included payment of that loan as one of the principles of getting permission to even negotiate with Mastrov/Burkle.
Well he sounds like it is pretty low and I was thinking maybe 30 or so but it sounds like it is low balling and they are going low because they are gonna go with the loan angles and stuff. Also says KJ may be thinking he can go for more if the league doesn’t like it (that was just conjecture).
Yeah, I wonder if Mitch is just assuming that’s what KJ is going to do or if KJ is really making promises behind closed doors contrary to the things his council and, I believe, he even said at the State of the City. They talk about retiring that loan and having a refinancing based on strong collateral as a part of the new arena investment.
Wow hearing Mitch and his optimism plus the fact of the bullets the Hansen group has left to play IF NECASSARY makes me really believe even more so that there is no way the NBA says no. The only thing Sacramento has left is the fact that they are making the sentimental approach but at the same time we know how much the league cares about sentiment.
The loan has bond holders that need to be paid back. KJ cannot just forgive it when the city is $2B in debt.
He’ll try
If they are lowballing this bad there is no way the Maloofs are going to take it. I am really curious to see the numbers, are we talking $100mil here for the Kings and a free arena?
Don’t forget, the Maloofs have no say in the matter. KJ had to appease the BoG, which a lowball valuation will not do.
Mitch is pretty much saying that the offer will be less. Maybe KJ is assuming that since the debt has to be taken care of that he can go 75 million less. The problem is that it could be accomodated in the PSa but not necassarily part of the agreed price the Hansen group is paying the Maloofs.
Essentially it could end up being 341 million to the Maloofs+75 million loan payment (arena leveraged+money)+75+ million relocation fee. So 491 million dollars in the end to acquire the Kings if they need too. If the KJ and his whales bid is 265-275 million for the Kings then this is OVER ten times OVER. The NBA will not blink at someone willing to pay 80% more than the next closest offer. Oh yeah and we already have an agreement in place to buy the team pending league approval (of course).
I really don’t understand why the NBA is letting this go on so long. The team is sold and the only reason they say no is that something is wrong with the financials. I am sure that the NBA has been helping Hansen all the way and for them to turn them down now would be cruel.
Sooooo they are strictly offering what the maloofs would be making for their shares and excusing the debts? Thats what it sounds like to me. Well it wont raise franchise values like our “bid” will and it wont put almost $3 million in the other owners pockets from relocation fees. I think i like our chances.
Yeah this whole thing is getting rediculous imo…..
I can say, as far as the Sac end of the city loan- the prevailing thinking is that Mastrov would assume the loan (which stands at 65 million), and refi down the road ( when prepay reduces in three years).
The loan does not need to be paid in full upon SALE, but does upon relocation.
I remember thinking that when the rumors first began circulating about the anonymous person silently buying land in the SODO district that they would probably be forced to pay way too much to bring the NBA back to Seattle. Not just from the League, not just from the City and County (and all the costs associated with just doing a large scale deal like this [legal, architect, fees, permits, etc]) that this was going to cost a FORTUNE and because of how Stern and Bennett handled the whole “new arena/relocation” process years ago, that it would be extortion to bring the the Sonics back and that is what Mitch said to Softy and it feels that.
That said, sports franchises are few and far between and their value seems to go up, not down, so I think that the investment will pay off in about five to six years, just so much money to get there. Hansen, I just respect him so much for how he’s doing all of this. No whining about fees, no complaining about the City of Seattle process, just doing it all according to what the codes say and it’s just a pleasure to watch this all come together.
Total respect for Hansen, Ballmer and the Nordstroms as well as the County and City of Seattle. Everyone is doing this right and I just have to write this again, that I am so grateful for Chris Hansen and the other investors because what they are doing for Seattle is incredible.
I think Stern chalked that up to rules and such during the ASG. It would be great if these decisions could be made via conference call or an email tree but unfortuantley we have to wait until the BoG meets at the end of April. Personally, I don’t think Hansen intended for the deal to be leaked in late January to avoid the situation we’re in currently but since all the parties that have a real say in the matter are bound to a gag order the only people really left in the wind are the fans. We have the benefit of going through this before (albeit under different circumstances and on the other side) but I’m thankful that this will be over soon.
The Shabazz Muhammad I’m watching tonight isn’t a pick in the top five… rounds.
What the? WSU over UCLA 23-4.
Been saying this for a while. Also Trey Burke has been out playing Smart and Carter-Williams down the stretch. It’d be smarter to trade down to get Burke and pick up another pick in 2014 to land Wiggins and a shooting guard.
Also.,,
Greivis Vasquez >!>!>!>!>!>!>!>! Isaiah Thomas
Im on board with trading back for more picks if possible
The only way you get Andrew Wiggins is if you win the lottery after next season. NOBODY is going to trade that #1 pick unless he gets injured and stays an extra year. Even if he gets injured (as long as it isnt catastrophic) he will be the #1 pick. Hopefully the league can work their magic on the balls to help us land the #1 pick. The chances are nobody will trade the #2 pick with Jabari Parker. The difference between Parker and Wiggins is athleticism.
Some comparison between the two is think Parker like a early Grant Hill (not the same player but athetic wise). Wiggins is a freak athelete and plays defense real well.
If we land in the top 2 of the 2014 draft it could really help us down the line by landing a superstar.
Personally I would like us try to get Eric Bledsoe and draft a talented big man. There are a few guys worthy that are big men that are good players. Trading down though (unless in the top 2 this year) should be a priority unless someone the front office loves alls in their lap.
If we land top two have to grab McLemore.
Who really wants to discuss Sac/BOG when this is done ? Certainly, there will be some discussion initially on how it all went down. Celebrating and the looking forward to fall will be the main discussion. I don’t know - - maybe I’m naive. I just don’t really see it as an issue. It’s consuming now because that’s the current world we’re living in. And we are Hard-Luck Seattle fans - fretting, anxious and always waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Wow, Lakers outscored the New Orleans Hornets 33-9 in the 4th quarter to win 108-102.
The season is still going. No need to announce until the Kings are done playing for the season. Announcing it early would get ugly.
Ok - perhaps I’m just not getting it. Why couldn’t Sac’s bid be minus the loan ? Why couldn’t Mastov just assume the loan and payments just like the Maloof’s did ? No way is Sac going to just forgive the debt. That’s lunacy.
Seems Thomas Robinson is actually a good, energetic player,
He’s been playing well last few games. had a great night last night
You really don’t understand why the NBA is letting this drag on this long? They’d love to have the arena process started now in Sacramento. They want Sacramento ready to build so that they become leverage during the Bucks arena negotiations, which becomes the league’s new priority No. 1 once this is resolved. I’ve long said that Milwaukee, which is both small and overleveraged as a sports market, and has little appetite for public arena funding right now, is the market that the NBA really wants out of.
I was hoping we could keep him, knew this would happen as soon as you cut him
Is that what it is? I figured it’s just because Stern is a sadistic monster who delights in setting the Sacramento and Seattle fanbases against each other.
Although I’d feel worse if the Bucks left Milwaukee than if the Kings left Sac (because they started there and have more history, and because I’m too young to remember the Pilots).
I said this earlier this morning but my comments regarding the separate room for relocation got lost in cyberspace after I tried to post…I personally don’t think it will be necessary. We’re all dying for this to be over..I don’t see us talking about it any more after April 19th, but we shall see.
What I think may become more appropriate would be a New Arena section so we can separate the game talk from the arena stuff as it progresses.
After April 19th one of two things will be happening here…1) we celebrate and move all from all this Sac talk or 2) we talk about going back to the drawing board with what to do next.
Mmmm, how do you know this ? Perhaps Sac won’t build an Arena if they don’t keep the Kings.
They are letting it go on because the Kings are still bound to play in Sacramento for the rest of the season. They want as smooth of a transition as possible, and that couldn’t happen if their fate was sealed 1.5 months before the season ended. Not only would it be bad financially and from a PR perspective, fans could turn violent. Just imagine how the last 10 games of the Sonics’ last season would have went down if the move was already official.
*sigh* Jimmer was such a waste of a lottery pick.
Ya think? Why was Potty guarding Manu? Who left Duncan open? Owwch.
The Seattle Downtown Design Review Board gave its preliminary approval to Hansen’s architectural plans Monday night. The arena project now moves to the permitting stage, with at least one more public meeting on the design planned for late spring or early summer.
from Seattle Times…..
That’ll be there issue to figure out. Whoosh - - glad we don’t have that problem.
I actually think they will build a new arena regardless of outcome. One way or another, Burkle still gets a sweetheart deal for a potential money-making machine. I also wonder if this is part of the reason why KJ brought up the Sacramento Monarchs at his state of the city speech. I don’t know about y’all, but that sounds like a consolation prize for Sacramento when Hansen buys the Kings. With the new arena, the Monarchs could serve as an anchor tenant (for whatever that’s worth).
It’s a theory, anyway.
Shabaaah Mohamed. Cougs down UCLA 73-61.
Hey, any time you can turn a top ten pick into a future second rounder or cash considerations, you have to do that.
fixed it for ya
Scratch that, I’m trying to make the playoffs next year, we cant set our hopes on some ping pong balls.
*Channeling inner Kevin*
New thread is up! :-)
It’s such a shame, it’s a great sports town with great basketball history. Would be sad to lose it, but it does seem like the NBA has sort of outgrown that market.
LOL! Thanks!
You guys think too small. After we get the Kings, I want the Bucks! If LA and NY can have two teams, so can we. Think BIG Seattle!
Oh, that was a generic “guy”, Jenn.
Hey guy.. ;-)
We can argue that right now if you want. I’m tired of the other talk.
Commericals are over the radio, not on streaming internet.
How does that help sweeten the pot for the NBA? The only thing that matters to the other owners is $$$$. And the only way I see getting a NHL team that would make money for NBA owners is if by having 2 franchises you can leverage that into a big pay day for a Northwest RSN.
You should have Kevin Pelton write a story
Awesome.
I am looking forward to knowing the Mastrov offer. Hoping it comes soon.
George Karl’s non-support:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/03/06/3269513/nuggets-coach-karl-hoping-kings.html